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but not based on the technology changes. >> jane harman again. thought this panel was great, i think this panel is great. one of the reasons i think it is great is that it's a discussion in public about a set of complex issues. so my question is this. after 9/11 when all of us thought we might be attacked again, the bush administration, bush 43, term one, took most of its actions to thwart the threat by executive order. it turned out that memos were written in the justice department at the office of legal counsel justifying a lot of this, and congress was cut out. my question, and congress caught up in the second term of bush. the a lot of actions in congress. my question is this. how important is the public debate? at this point we are such complex issues, should the public he brought in and help determine the set of answers that our country will give to technology into the need i think everyone would agree with this, they need if possible consistent with our constitution to find out what bad guys are plotting before they hurt us? >> i think pub

it was really an honor for me to grow up watching jane harman. i learned so much from her.aw how she worked on a bipartisan basis to get things done in congress address our amazing leadership on national security. back then as i say, i went to sleep that night. perfect to find issues with congressman. so thank you for all you did for country. i'm honored to be here with this terrific panel. as congresswoman harman said i am a recovering computer science major. i know a little bit about cs issues but i served active duty in a force. i'm still in the reserves and when it comes to jervis i believe we should hunt them down and kill them. governments first priority is public safety. that's what i support apple's position. because strong encryption is a u.s. national security priority. i'm going to make just three brief points. i believe the fbi intentionally is trying to frame this issue as one of privacy versus national security. that is the wrong frame. the actual frame should be making some law enforcement investigations easier versus national security. if you look at our nat

longer use enhanced interrogation techniques, again, up to and, but excluding waterboarding. >> jane harmant was your reaction to what we heard from mr. trump? >> well, i remember the history, and i don't believe that the waterboarding we did worked but more important, there was a memo in the justice department, took congress years to get it, drafted by john yu, said anything other than death or imminent organ failure did not constitute torture. congress was appalled to learn about that memo, so were others in the justice department and we passed a law basically codifying the army field manual which does not permit waterboarding, and i believe that building trust, as senator john mccain who was subject to these procedures believes building trust is a much more effective way to get the truth from a detainee than causing that person to say anything just to get you to stop treating him in some fashion. >> you spent a lot of time, paul, in brussels, you're from there, you were born there. is mr. trump correct when he says there are certain neighborhoods in belgium where -- >> no, the police can

paul cruickshank, juliette and jane harman, of the wilson center.ul, you're new to our panel and also deeply sourced in the belgian intelligence community. the news coming in najim laachraoui, the suspected bomb maker in brussels and paris, may be dead. not 100% confirmed, but if it is confirmed, explain to me what you're hearing about the significance. >> well, it would certainly be significant and the belgians think he's probably being killed, that he probably died at the airport, but they're testing dna and so on and so forth to be 100% certain. they actually do have his dna on file because they were able to establish his dna was at that bomb factory in schaerbeek in belgium used by the paris attackers to use those devices. they aren't 100% sure yet that he was the bomb maker. they think he's possibly the bomb maker but haven't conclusively made that determination yet. but if they have got the bomb maker, that he's dead, that would be extremely significant because this is the most dangerous guy in a cell, the guy that can build these powerful tat

let's go to jane harman. we have a microphone coming to jane.f speakers could please identify themselves and their affiliation. >> i'm jane harman. [laughter] bob was giving grades to various things. i would like to grade this panel an a+. i think everyone learned a lot and enjoyed this. so finally the question about pakistan at the end. -- to to extend that is india. one of the miscalculations could be the endless feud between pakistan and india. and the fact that both of them have nukes and at least pakistan now may have small nukes. which are just as dangerous or could be. thecertainly could create chance of miscalculation. what about p+i? >> that worries me because the indian response to another major terrorist attack will be some sort of conventional action, which the pakistani army says it would meet with nuclear weapons. neither side may actually believe that that would happen, but once the events get into the play, it could be the august 14. that one truly worries me and is outside our control. pakistanis are emphasizing nuclear weapons

michael schaffner, the president and woodrow wilson international center scholars and my friend jane harman. thank you for collaborating with us to bring this to fruition. i also want to extend a special welcome to members of the atlantic council board of directors and esteemed ambassadors joining us in the audience is afternoon. ambassador rice, thank you for taking the time. we considered a privilege to host you. not only because of your key role in shaping the president's foreign-policy agenda, but also because of your tireless steadfast commitment to promoting constructive leadership and international engagement across the globe. since becoming a president obama security buzzer in 2013, you have been at the helm of a second term administration foreign policy that has significant achievements , which are included us cuba opening, brokering multilateral deal with iran, successful conclusion of the tp agreement. we have had a role with atlantic council and all of these issues. previously as us representative to the united nations you are a powerful voice in advancing us interest at the sec

former congresswoman jane harman, thank you. president and ceo of the woodrow wilson center, thank you so much. much more on this story out of belgium, the key terror suspect, the eighth attacker captured alive. what authorities hope to learn. potential wealth of information if he talks. >>> plus, in politics today, it is donald trump versus the republican establishment. we've been reporting on this closed door meeting held to discuss something very specific, how to stop trump from winning the party's nomination. how do they plan to do that? you're watching cnn. sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox. i've had moderate to severe plaque psoriasis most of my life. but that hasn't stopped me from modeling. my doctor told me about stelara® it helps keep my skin clearer. with only 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses... ...stelara® helps me be in season. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and increase yo

i'm jane harman, president and ceo of the wilson center, and delighted to introduce very important nationalonversation on the nuclear summit and beyond, progress or regress. i would like to welcome some of the smartest people in washington to this audience but also welcome any who are watching this by other means, many of which are in the back of the room. seven years ago president obama delivered a major speech in prague, promising to fight for a world without nuclear weapons. to get the work done he brought leaders from around the world to washington. hosting the first nuclear security summit here in 2010. south korea then took the baton in 2012 and benevolence in 2014. this week in 2016, the summit is back in washington, d.c. and it's time for a status report. to manage the nuclear file, the united states needs to walk and chew gum, to quote, to recall a comment about former president gerald ford. death threats are not one size fits all. we have to keep our eyes on great powers like russia. we need to watch regional pariahs like iran and north korea, and we need to ensure that terror gro

jane harman again. i thought this panel was great, or i think this panel is great, and one of the reasons i think it is great is that it's a discussion in public about a set of complex issues. and so my question is this: when we, after 9/11 when all of us thought we might be attacked again, the bush administration, bush 43, term one, took most of its actions to thwart the threat by executive order. it turned out that memos were written in the justice department at the office of legal counsel justifying a lot of this, and congress was cut out. my question -- and congress caught up in the second term of bush. there were a lot of actions in congress. my question is this, how important is the public debate? at this point when there are such complex issues, should the public be brought in and help determine the set of answers that our country will give to technology and to the need, i think everyone would agree with this, the need, if possible consistent with our constitution, to find out what bad guys are p

represented by the -- the president and woodrow wilson international center of scholars and my friend jane harmanpresented here by cynthia armson, director of the latin american program. thank you for collaborating with us to bring this to fruition. i also want to extend a special welcome to the esteemed ambassadors joining us in the audience this afternoon. ambassador rice, thank you for taking the time. we consider it a privilege to host you, not only because of your key role in shaping the president's foreign policy agenda but also your tireless steadfast commitment to promoting leadership and engagement across the globe. since becoming president obama's national security advisor in 2013, you've been at the helm of a second term administration foreign policy that has significant achievements which have included u.scuba brokering a multilateral deal with iran and the successful conclusion of the t.p.p. agreement. we've had a role here with the atlantic council in all these issues. previously as u.s. permanent representative to the united nations, you were a powerful voice in advancing u.s. inte