i am jane harman the president and ceo. i'm a recovering politician, happy to be a recovering politician but it's not an easy job. this place leverages woodrow wilson from presidents to passions which were scholarship and policy and that's the intersection of the book we are going to talk about today. it's my pleasure to introduce a friend of many of ours,. i will explain why it is called him a and that is because there is the movie, has everyone seen the movie they open john movie? dan and i sat next to each other recently a failed and john movie which is great. i recommend it. dance that i want to come to the wilson center and talk about the book so is here and he will talk about this book. has everybody knows he has to cheat sheet. you all memorized it with a nice picture of him. he's the ceo of centrist energy corp.. he's a former deputy secretary and many of us worked with him in that job at the department of energy. worked at the national security council. he spent 10 years with brands across one of the elegant beauti

director of the woodrow wilson center, former congresswoman jane harman, and senator mitch mcconnell's staff, josh holmes. congressman, let me start with you, any problem with these ice rates, which as kellyanne conway pointed out, these are people who are in the country illegally who have been through the process and have received a final deportation order? >> i don't like the advance notice. i want ice to be able to do this on a regular basis and i would hope that the locals would actually cooperate, because these are people -- >> chris: but they are not doing that. >> they are not cooperating. >> chris: they are actually telling people how to avoid getting rounded up by ice. >>he the demrats othis? i want the world -- when you going to the final adjudication and a judge has ordered you to depart the country, how can we not all be united and say then you have to leave? we are not a nation where you just ignore a judge's order. that's the position democrats are taking in the fundamentally wrong. >> chris: well, we have another democrat and former congressman here, jane harman. it is a

columnist for the hell juan williams, director of the woodrow wilson center congresswoman jane harman and mitch mcconnell chief of staff. let me start with you. these are people in the country illegally would been through the process and received a final deportation. >> i want ice to do this on a regular basis and i would hope that the locals would cooperate because these are people. chris: but they are not doing that. >> but they are not. chris: there telling them how to avoid ice raids. >> when you've gone through the final adjudication and the judge has ordered you to depart the country how can we not all be united in saying that you have to leave. were not a nation where you ignore a judge's order but that's the position democrats are taking and it's fundamentally wrong. chris: we happen to have a democrat and former congresswoman here. it is a fact whether nancy pelosi or the new democratic player of chicago there are democratic officials who not only has said the raids around but of openly advised people fall into this category how to avoid getting picked up. >> let me applaud w