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. >>> we now join someone who has been very involved in chinese policy, jane harmon, she is presidentthe woodrow wilson national center. how do we balance our concern on getting our relations with china on better footing and this situation of chen? >> first, let me say i was with chris smith in beijing in 1955 when hillary clinton said -- >> '55? >> 1995. women's rights were human rights and human rights were women's rights. he was a former delegate in congress, i believe in his passion, and i think the man is -- >> china -- the crc has their policy. you had one kid, otherwise you had abortions. >> right. he's a crazed human activist. we all agree on that. now we have to decide what we do going forward. i don't think it's doable, i don't know what we're doing. i like the fact that we're negotiating in private. i don't think this case needs to be tried on tv or in a one-party house hearing. i don't think that's going to lead to a good result. >> do you think they would like to get rid of this guy to the point they would let him -- >> i don't know what they want to do with this guy, but

jane harmon discusses foreign policy and a round table debate on the u.s. prison system. >> coming up this morning on "washington journal," former comp patroler david walker will discuss the latest on unemployment figures and then ranking member jane harmon addresses u.s. foreign policy and the edges community and she will also talk about chen guangcheng and the security deal signed this week by president obama. finally america by the numbers looks at the u.s. prison system with james lynch and institute of justice executive director michael jacobson. they will analyze growth of the population and reasons for imprsonment and more. >> the billingd going up in 1903. it was not the first and not the tallest. we see this all the time. skyscrapers. stop and think what was the technology? back in the 1890's, they were explained as a railroad bridge on its end. how else do you explain this? most people were afraid of this thing and as a matter of fact you might think we were all loving it. we love innovation. we're in new york. but actually this thing looked a lit

of the woodrow wilson center for scholars, jane harmon. jane? [applause] >> it is my pleasure to welcome all of you to the wilson center for this important event. this is the second time at least on my watch that i have welcomed this group, many of whom are dear friends especially mark who whom i practiced law in another lifetime but many people in this podium are very good friends and it will be exciting for all of you hear this panel's discussion. just want to make a few brief points. number one, on this stage yesterday, john bre don who is a national security advicor and special assistant to the president told the world for the first time yes, they have a drone program. he said it was very important to him and to the administration that this program be as transparent as possible and that it operate fully under the rule of law. it was a very important speech and the lawyer in me was pleased to hear him say how important it was that our programs operate fully under the rule of law. as everyone knows in the news lately there has been a lot of co