jane harmon again. i thought this panel was great or i think this panel is great, and one of the reasons i think it is great is that it's a discussion in public about a assist of complex issues. so my question is this. after 9/11 when all of us thought we might be attacked again, the bush administration, bush 43, term one, took most of its actions to thwart the threat by executive order. it turned out that memos were written in the justice department at the office of legal counsel justifying a lot of this and congress was cut out. my question, and congress caught up in the second term of bush. there were a lot of actions in congress. my question is this. how important is the public debate? at this point when there are such complex issues should the public be brought in and help determine the set of answers that our country will give to technology and to the need i think everyone would agree with this, the need if possible consistent with our constitution to find out what bad guys are plotting before the

let's go to jane harmon. she is the director and president of the woodrow wilson center.esswoman, good to see you. thank you for being with us. >> you, too. >> your impressions as we look at the heart of the european city. >> i was scheduled to attend a security forum over last weekend and to be on a panel on terrorism in brussels. and i would have flown back yesterday, so it kind of gets my attention. anybody could have been killed, and obviously our hearts go out to those who died and their families there. i don't think this is over. i think that europe is a battlefield. the latest statement just issued by isis in arabic and french turns out they have additional targets in mind. they have professional tradecraft in terms of training people and building explosives, and they also have impressive security, obsec, in terms of evading our intelligence communities. they may have separated cells in silos who don't talk to each other whom they can make operational by some kind of preset command. europe is in for a long siege, and we have to anticipate that what they really want

cnn national security analyst, julia, and former member of congress jane harmon from the house intelligence committee, also in charge of the wilson center. thank you all for being with us. julia, just over the last few minutes, so many more things have come to light. a lot of these threats starting to come together. the idea that the bomb maker, najim laachraoui blew himself up at the airport. the idea another one of the bombers left a will saying he was afraid of being caught and left behind 40 pounds of explosives unused in the apartment. what does this alltel y tell yo? >> it means last friday was significant, the arrest of abdeslam alive. he's not captured dead. and the suggestions throughout the weekend by brussels officials that he was not only cooperating but they were using the term collaboratingment as we saw in the suicide note that they felt that they were about to get caught. now, these are suicide bombers. they do not care if they die, they care if they are detained. so the arrest on friday sped everything up. and in particular, terrorist groups are organized in different ways