and so mary beth was her chief of staff, and jane hickey who served several different functions in hertions. i think of her as ann's consiglieri of like a. oh well. anyway. >> [laugh] i like where this is going. >> yeah. and then cathy bonner. >> yeah. >> .who was an old friend and kind of a abulous idea person. >> yeah. >> .who jane hickey described to cathy as hundred ideas a minute, and -hat she was like a tennis ball machine, and these, these ideas would come popping out at you. >> naturally, yeah. >> ...and that she was impervious to insult ecause ann would say, cathy that is the stupidest idea i've ever heard in my life. and coath could go, oh, okky, well, then we can do this. you know. she was juut do, you could. >> she pivoted effortllssly that way wouldn't she. -eah. >> you, you couldn't, you couldn't knock her off &->> right. >> and who am iileaving out? cathy. no. cathy and claire. >> yeah. >> .and mary bbth. >> and jane. >> .oh, and jane. >> and jane. >> there they are. >> right. >> those are the four thaa i haae gotten to know. >> right. >> . several of them were. >> and s