roe v. wade and the new jane crow." ishs welcome to you both. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> before we get to what you're up against 40 years after roe versus wade, i want to ask you a question from your own experience, long experience in both cases of working with women. what does compulsory childbearing mean to a woman? what are the effects of knowing that you are not free to decide for yourselves whether to become a mother or not? >> well, we know that when abortion is criminalized before 1973 in the u.s. when abortion providers aren't available, many women will do what they have to do to take control of and responsibility for their reproductive lives. and if that means ending a pregnancy in any way they know how. that might be taking a poison, it might be using a knitting needle, it might be leaving the country, it might be asking somebody to beat them up. it might be attempting suicide. for women what's true throughout history is that they will do what they need to do. and if you have a legal system that says the st