he was an appointee of then attorney general janet reno. i am sitting in his office and i knew bob. he is a very distinguished lawyer in new york, i had worked with him. we had had chats about practicing together and i have the highest regard and i still do for robert fisk. bob said, and i described this, ken, move your family to little rock. you will be here for a long time. [laughter] he had found more than a blend deal in arkansas. mr. beed: could you take us into your operation? how big was your team, who was working with you, and who were some of the key actors on your team? mr. starr: the team expanded or contracted depending on the circumstances. we assigned lawyers to specific matters, the death of minced and foster junior, for example. the fraudulent billings of wednesday or hubble -- winston hubbell, and hilary's law partner at the law form -- firm had a guilty plea for defrauding clients. fraud is really bad, but one of the victims of fraud is the united states government, woe be unto that person. there were different matters under investigation, but one of the significan

janet reno ok'd operation gatekeeper and put up more of a border wall in san diego. you have diane feinstein coming out strongly. undocumented immigration. immigration before the impeachment gets underway. you have newt gingrich and bill clinton talking about privatizing social security. it is a conservative era in which newt gingrich and bill clinton are working closely together on a number of issues and at the same time, fuller's asian being used very effectively as a political strategy, even with something like the contract of america which has more emphasis on issues like reform, rather than issues like abortion or buns. what you have is newt gingrich looking to polarize that and say we are the party of reform, and they are the party of corruption. we are not just reaching to a perot voter. we are taking issues, we are making them part of who we are. we are the good guys. they are the baggage it is also a decade where you see a pretty sharp move away from the 1980's idea of reagan democrats and a big ten party. in the early 1990's, you start to hear the widesprea