issues and it should be noted that the people within the clinton white house also had problems with janet reno. there was a disconnect from the beginning between attorney general reno and president clinton. they didn't see eye to eye on a lot of things. and there was a feeling in the white house that the entire program was botched, that they should have handled this in a much different manner. they shouldn't have gone in guns blazing onto the branch davidians to start this to start this standoff. so i think that's reflected in a lot of john conyers this question. i think he had a concern about basic competence, not to mention the power of the federal government. and speaking of president bill clinton, was he making statements during the hearings about waco? a few. he lamented the deaths of the children, just like anyone else publicly. he was very supportive of his government and of attorney general reno and the justice department. but my understanding is that privately, a lot of clinton and a lot of his aides were were very concerned about the way this thing was handled at the outset and that

janet reno. loretta lynch did it. this is what they do, so the argument that they suddenly cannot do it, it is just stupid on its face and i think that i do not want to do your viewers a disservice pretending that there is anything real here, because it is not. it is just a delay tactic to help donald trump not have to go to trial before the election. that is all. >> kimberly, what has the handling of the documents case exposed? is this a case of her being out of her depth as we suggested a little bit with some of the reasoning for why she is doing certain things or do you think she is calculating some benefit professionally because she is going to unabashedly protect trump and serve his interests? what does she get at this point protecting trump, as opposed to why when she wanted the job she was loyal to trump? >> look, i'm not going to try to get in her head, but certainly if she handles this case in a way that is pleasing to trump and he returns to office, he is the person in charge of making other federal appointm