i know he's got evans on his side so that's evans and rosengren, probably janet yellen, but where the rest of the board, lockhart if he's in favor of open-ended qe i think there's quite a debate going on behind the board an many others to hear from and we're going to hear from them at jackson hole. >> steve stick with us. >> steve, i'm curious, did he talk about the fiscal cliff at all? because i know chairman bernanke has said no matter how much money we put in nobody's going to be able to alleviate the fiscal cliff? >> so rosengren takes a more affirmative responsibility for the economy no matter what congress says. he says let's look at the reality. this is a segment we'll play for you, hasn't cared yet, in the 1:00 hour, he says we just can't realistically expect too much help from europe and we can't expect congress in this period of time, between now and the end of the year, to fix the miss cal cliff problem. it is our responsibility to step forward and take action to help employment and to help the overall economy. so he does talk about it. but he says, look, it's our job to ha