but the organization actually founded by a woman named, jann nathan, in 1983. so we have been around for a long time. we just celebrated 40th anniversary last year and the organization has grown quite significantly in those four decades. i myself have been working in the publishing for a little over 20 years, so i spent the first 15 years at one of the largest independent publisher at the time in the united states working in publishing. and then from there i worked at ingram content group, which is a wholesaler distributor and technology company that is really critical our industry. and then i at harpercollins, which is one of those big corporate publishers where i ran a start up imprint for three years called harper horizon. and then after that i decided i really wanted to be working with independent publishers. this is there's a lot of growth in our industry. so it's been a really fun and educational time working here at ibp. well, what some of the frustrations that chan mason had 40 years ago when she founded the organization and of the frustrations maybe yo