one thing to know about jared kushner is that jared kushner has a very, very good lawyer. he's not himself a lawyer but, boy, did he pick a good one. he's one of those washington legends who turns up in high-profile cases involving very high-profile politicians on both sides of the isle with a common thread uniting them is they all seem to win. jared kushner is the guy on the left with senator bob menendez. his lawyer's name is abby lowell, top drawer washington lawyer. before that, mr. kushner was represented by jamie gorelick who was also the real deal top drawer. that high-powered very well respected top drawer legal representation is important in its own right for jared kushner particularly with new news discovered tonight. on a more human level, though, it's also just a striking contrast. with what's been going on with the president himself. as of this weekend it appears that the president has no serious legal representation with the russia scandal. the lead lawyer had been this man, john dowd. so for example that's who had been negotiating with robert mueller and his

you have been digging into all of it. >> jared kushner and his family's businesses leave jared kushner exposed to several allegations. one, that he's conflicted. two, that he's profiteering from the white house, and as you mentioned in your intro, that he's subject to foreign influence. and this cloud that's hanging over jared kushner is unlikely to dissipate while he's in the white house and possibly beyond that. listen. >> this chicago skyscraper is majority owned by jared kushner and his family. mortgage documents show a fund link to private equity power house apollo global management, provided them with $184 million mortgage for the bidding. apollo was founded by josh harris. months earlier, that same executive was in talks with the white house about an advisory role, according to a source with knowledge of the discussions. jared stepped down as ceo of his family's business since going to washington, but questions of conflicts still persist. also at the white house, jared met with citi bank ceo michael corbett last year. they made a $325 million loan to kushner companies and its pa

it includes the president's daughter ivanka trump and now jared. don't think -- i think jared has no place in the white house if he can't have top secret clearance. and he would be better off himself if he stepped back from it and go and worked with his companies and get them back on better footing. there is a lot here that goes to the fundamental capacity of this white house to govern. >> juliet, on this point, the trump administration has lost about 34% of quote unquote a team according to brookings in year one. that's 1 in 3. just so everyone can understand, when david marks used unprecedented this is why perhaps. obama in year one 9%. george bush was 6%. reagan one close at 17. 34%. juliet, the question is can the president afford to lose mcmaster? light of the reporting jim was just sharing that perhaps some of the effort to reach out to possible replacement has been rebuffed? >> in my mind, there is no question, mcmaster is going to be gone. because we have seen this story before where there starts to be the rumors, then they deny it, then so

one thing to know about jared kushner is that jared kushner has a very, very good lawyer. he's not himself a lawyer but boy did he pick a good one. he's a washington legend who turns up in high profile cases involving very high profile politicians on both sides of the isle with a common thread uniting. jared kushner is the guy on the left with bob menendez and he's the real deal. top drawer washington lawyer. before that, mr. kushner was represented by jamie who is also the real deal top drawer. with this new news discovered tonight. on a more human level, though, it's also just a striking contrast. as of this weekend it looks like the president has no serious legal representation with the russia scandal. the lead lawyer had been this man, john dowd. that's who had been negotiating with robert mueller and prosecutors when and whether and how the president would be questioned by the special counsel and his team and it feels like there has been a lot of chaotic lawyering with the president and his legal defense, but what has happened there, what has happened on that subject

jared kushner, ivanka.his one particular deal and her contacts with perhaps some of the unves or thes, some of the people who were maybe buying into this property, something triggered the counterintelligence. the fbi has been spending well over a year now looking at some of their contacts, some of the deals that were being made. but something in this particular deal, i've been told, really triggered the fbi and they've really been looking into it, trying to get a sense, again, it's sort of what you said. was there some kind of influence? were they trying to exploit her, her husband? all of that remains a concern for the fbi. >> and shimon, would this have any impact on the mueller investigation? >> it potentially could. anything that has to do with this family, with the president, is all now being run out of the mueller team, out of the mueller case. so, potentially, it could. and, you know, from everything that i know, mueller has seen some of this information, it is before him, it is before his prosecutor

i asked jared and paul to stop by.primarily discussed a program about the adoption of russian children, a program that was active and popular with families years ago and was since ended by the government but it wasn't a campaign issue, and there was no followup. that statement was not true. that was not a true statement about what happened at that meeting or how it came about. but the president himself reportedly supervised the creation of that statement and that is what was september out -- sent out to the "new york times" to try to make this story go away. here's important part. the next morning there was reportedly a conference call, this is what was first reported by the "new york times" a month ago today. on that conference call are mark carallo and the president and hope hicks. what transpired on the call is a matter of dispute. in mr. corralo's report, he told president trump and hope hicks that the statement they drafted aboard air force one would backfire, because it would show that that meeting was set up not

." >> jared has done an outstanding job. >> an nbc news exclusive. >> my name is jared kushner. >> the mueller probe is investigating whether or not the son-in-law is using foreign policy to benefit his own company. >> jared is a very successful real estate person. >> why jared kushner may be in trouble like never before and what did the president know and when did he know it? plus, the story behind the unglued president and his impulsive decision to start a trade war. incredible new deception from the white house chief of staff on the domestic abuse scandal and the massive popular uprising in deep red trump country. "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. it would be one thing if jared kushner used his position of the white house to benefit his family real estate business. that would be bad. i mean, that's your standard run-of-the-mill style corruption. again, really bad. a big deal scandal if true, but also, the kind of thing you've heard about before. maybe in state or local government. okay, but it would be another thing entirely if jared kushner

jared kushner lost his top secret clearance. i wonder if anti-jared sources want to push him out. molly: if you are going to use anonymous sources it's clear to know how you are being used. there are factions warring against each other at the white house. howie: ne "new york times," president trump is frustrated with mr. curb her. the "new york times" -- mr. kushner. a "new york times" story that curb numbers real estate company got $500 million in loans. no direct connection, no under case he got below end rates. ed: jared kushner rarely speaks. i think what's been going on. there was a leak that came out of nowhere. donald trump on drudge is running for reelection and brad parscale is going to be the campaign manager. my understanding from people inside trump world, this was clearly leaked by jared kushner. kushner is looking for his way out. six months or a year from now. but they were locking that down, parscale is doing that. and that gives jared a way out. howie: all presidents are running for reelection. capri: i think there has been an intrigue surrounding this power coupl

married jared.nk that jared brought stability in the beginning to that campaign. when he got in there, i think he brought order in. and i think they needed some management help. eventually i don't know what went on. there is a lot of questions whether jared got money from pascal or they stole money from the digital buys in 2016 or something that will have to come out. i have no idea by the way. but i would say that jared was somebody who was never mentioned to me by the president and when he got more closer, the thing that i would say, chuck, is that jared got involved in that when it looks like trump would win when he would be successful. bu because when i was there and everybody was laughing at us, that donald trump would run, people were looking at me like i'm a joke, people were looking -- and jared wanted nothing to do with that campaign. >> do you -- i guess the reason i ask that question is the more trouble he gets into with mueller or the more -- where he's getting negative -- as we know, do

they already knew jared. it's not a surprise they would also go to the white house. >> there are a number of buckets. first, there was this infrastructure panel. some litigation over whether it was an unofficial planning body. for purposes of our discussion, there was this infrastructure panel. >> this was jared's baby, these infrastructure group, he loved them. >> right, all these industries, bill ford who runs general atlantic, josh paris from apollo, in addition to others -- >> and an old friend of the trumps. >> absolutely. to talk about this -- at the time, i'm sorry, it was a $1 trillion infrastructure spend. i think it's now $1.5 trillion to $2 trillion with a contribution of about $200 million from the government. josh harris of apollo was part of that. jared was in one or more of those. there were also one-on-one meetings that occurred between jared and josh harris of apollo. there was also a one on one meeting between jared and mike corbett. as you know, again, lots of business executives on various

he'll talk about jared is getting killed, jared is getting killed and he's not always saying it with any self reflection or this is an extension of how they're look at me. he doesn't like when people attract negative headlines that could be a problem for him. now a member of his extended family is getting that in droves. >> what do you think about this, gloria, as you watch this? >> well, i think that the president has said eefr and over again to friends that i talk to, jared and ivanka are having a really tough time here. i'm not so sure they should have come to washington. it's by me that by extension they get attacked. however now jared is getting attacked or stories are being written about him. special counsel, from our reporting, is asking questions about his conversations with foreign leaders and his business dealings and suddenly the president says, whoa, wait a minute. he could be a liability to me. you can't tell jared to leave without having both of them leave and one source said to me this week, you know, maybe what will happen is that they'll end up becoming very active i

. >>> plus, the slow motion takedown of jared kushner. the questions about how he does his job without the right security clearance. the reports his own father-in-law may want him out. and new nbc reporting. "the 11th hour" on a friday night begins now. good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 407 of the trump administration. president trump is at his florida resort after a week of extraordinary turbulence that seems to signify a deepening crisis than some of the previous rocky weeks in this white house. to begin the russia investigation appears to have taken on a new kind of momentum. today nbc news wants to know, if jared kushner's business dealings ended up influencing the administration's policies. that comes amid other nbc news reports this week that the special counsel also wants to know what donald trump knew about the release of stolen dnc e-mails on, and that mueller is looking at criminal charges for russians who carried out hacking and leaking of information to hurt the democrats in 2016. new

there's this parallel thing that jared is doing. we know his family is looking for foreign money to inject into a cash-staffokascash-starved. your story gets the two as close together as you can imagine. how involved was kushner in that? >> he was extremely involved in the policy. without kushner, we might not have the blockade. this blockade is ongoing. i think they lost chad the other day. but saudi arabia and the uae are still blockading this country. they're trying to prevent -- food can't go in through certain channels and this cold war very nearly became a hot war. there are reports that the emrattees considered invading with a mercenary force qatar as this entire thing unfolded. it's not all just silliness either. t the yemen crisis is tied into this. the uae cares more about qatar. it's also helped explode a cholera epidemic and mass starvation while we're at it. >> kushner goes to saudi in 2017 in october. days before the head of the saudi government essentially purges a whole bunch of saudi oligarchs, which can be a brave

so that you're having this happen with jared kushner.e having, you know, ben carson and his $5,000 chair over at hud. you're having seemingly infinite number of travel scandals. it seems to feel like there are no sort of guardrails here. it's just anything goes and you can get away with anything. >> michael, in the early days of the trump administration, jared kushner was called the secretary of everything. now his ability to do his job has been seriously limited by this security clearance setback. can he be effective? >> he's the secretary of nothing right now. because he's got the weight of investigations around him. he's got the break-up of the gang inside the white house. where before there could have been more of a unified front. he had others he could rely on to sort of carry that water. it is a very lonely space right now inside the administration. and the only -- the only thing that's still moving strong is the president. >> that's right. >> i mean, like, okay, what's next, let's bring it, you know. >> increasingly seems to be on

there's these parallel things that jared kushner is doing. we know his family is looking for various sources of foreign money to inject into a cash starved property. we also know jared kushner is running a lot of foreign policy. your story says basically gets the two as close together as you could possibly imagine. ask the qataris for money and then the full force of the u.s. government is slammed down on qatar. how involved was kushner in that? >> extremely involved in the policy. without kushner, we might not have the blockade. and just so people know, this blockade is ongoing. i think they lost chad the other day but saudi arabia and the uae is still blockading the country. food can't go in through certain channels and this cold war, very nearly became a hot war. there are reports that the emirates considered invading with this and it's not just all silliness. the yemen crisis and the humanitarian disaster is tied into this because of the way the politics play out there. saudi cares more about the yemen war and the uae cares more about qat

he's trying to help jared.e's trying to tell kelly what he wants him to do and i looked at it and said, no, he's not, he's cutting him loose right now. kelly has this. he already knew what kelly was going to do. he was trying to soften the blow a little bit. and everybody i've talked to since then who is close to the trump family and to the kushner family all saw it the same way. i think donald trump sees the dimensions of kushner's problems which are not about not just merely on all these things. there are legal problems. there's a lot of discussion about new york bank regulators, about eric snyderman, about the fbi, separate from mueller about mueller, he is an enormous legal jeopardy at this point. you know, you said this on the show yesterday, 666 fifth avenue, people who looked at that building and the $1.2 billion loan those guys have coming up due less than a year now, people say that is going to be the thing that brings down jared kushner, brings down charles kushner, that the stuff that they're doing i

they had meetings with jared kushner, they called jared kushner to get to meet his father-in-law. and then when they moved into the white house for several months, jared kushner continued that role as a conduit for foreign leaders, and in particular, those in the middle east, china, and mexico. and so his role now has diminished a little bit, but he was a major player in foreign affairs for this government and during the transition phase. that's why mueller is so interested in his business dealings at the same time. >> chuck, it's funny. we just followed this entire story of mueller and this investigation. we get a sense that we know where it's going. we think we can put in a frame how he's operating and then we get a development like this that puts it into a different direction. do you have a sense just looking in like the rest of us at this investigation, is this an investigation that continues to widen or slow down and wrap up at some point? what does this tell you about where mueller is in the course of things? what do you think? >> this piece of it isn't terribly surprising f

should i trust jared kushner? >> he is now criminally exposed and the issue of trust is a very real one. is my own son-in-law about to cooperate and pressured because of debt and mueller's intensity to cooperate and inform against me. so, kushner has become a liability for the president and i'm thinking you're going to see him fade away in the relatively near future. >> we don't have any -- and we also don't know when the special counsel does have those -- we're cooperating with them. we don't always know that. >> we don't always know that. the policy so far on behalf of kushner has been to resist and deny. we've seen him a lot more recently giving statements so that kushner's not exposed in these discussions. at some point or another we have this closing gap between the president and his advisors closing in on the president. so, he's got to be, he's got to be very anxious. we have people who can talk about the money now. we have gates, we have flynn who may be responsible for some of the disclosures that lead us

over security clearances and again jared kushner within the white house. but first, let's go to the nbc news exclusive. nbc news has learned that jared kushner's business discussions are the latest -- target of robert mueller's probe. they are scrutinizing whether any discussions with foreigners during the presidential transition later shaped white house policies in ways that were designed to either benefit or retaliate against those he spoke with. this is according to witnesses and other people familiar with the investigation. nbc's carol lee helped break this story. she joins me now on this. carol, this is crucial because this administration has so many conversations with so many different people, the question here is whether or not those conversations turn into policy. >> correct. and this is significant because it is the first time that we've learned that robert mueller is -- there is a -- seeing if there is a link between conversations that jared kushner had during the presidential transition with foreigners to policy decisions that have been made in

>> if it's true, jared kushner has to go. we couldn't understand why the trump administration were taking the saudi's side because of the united states' interests in qatar. at the top of the list are thousands of u.s. troops stationed in a base there. to so firmly take the side of the saudis and resulting of a downward spiral of the qatar. economy put thousands of americans at risk. if the reason for this was to protect the kushner's financial interests, that's all the evidence you need to make some big changes in the white house. >> let me tell you we'll have wilbur ross coming later. you saw the president's announcement of steel tariffs thursday. expecting the formal announcement this week. do you think there's a threat from canada, mexico, south korea and japan? >> i think the president needs to recognize none of the actions take place in a vacuum. i can support some targeted ss e sanctions against china. at a moment when you've need the chinese to be the heavies on north korea to disabuse them of their nuclear ambitions y

>> if it's true, jared kushner hato go. we couldn't understand why the trump administration were taking the saudi's side because of the united states' interests in qatar. at the top of the list are thousands u troops stationed in a base there. to so firmly take the side of the saudis and resulting of a downward spiral of the qatar. economy put thousands of americans at risk. if the reason for this was to n evence you need to make some bi >> let me tell you we'll have wilbur ross coming later. you saw the president's g the formal of steel tariffs a. korea tment this week.re's a t to recognize none t actionslac. i can support some targeted ss e sanctions against china. at a moment when you've need the chinese to be the heavies on north korea to disabuse them of their nuclear ambitions you're jeopardizing national security interest. the president willing to start a trade war with europe, this is also a gift to russia that loves it when the split. edse targeted sanctions are necessary. you have to do it at the right moment. non

. >>> plus defending jared. ivanka trump reportedly saying someone in the white house is embarrassing her husband, that word in an article out today. we have those details next. >>> but we begin with new reaction from the former trump campaign aide at the center of a firestorm this week after his initial refusal to appear before a special counsel grand jury. here is sam nunberg earlier today in his first interview since yesterday's testimony. >> i was there a long time. and they have a lot of questions. did i ever hear russian spoken in the office. and then they asked about why did president trump support putin in syria. people say i had a meltdown on tv. i melted tv down that day. i wanted to show what this independent counsel, this independent investigation does to people like me. >> do you think it's a witch hunt? >> no, i don't think it's a witch hunt. there's a lot "there" there. that's a sad truth. i don't believe it leads to the president. >> president trump's lawyers are seeking a deal with special couns

jared kushner is first among them. but you could look at what's happening with trade tariffs today where no one in that white house knows what's going on and what the president is going to say at his announcement, and also, the president's shifting stance on guns and what we have seen with the president going back and forth on immigration, and the president making phone calls late at night that general kelly doesn't know about, or the president calling aides into the west wing and having them go around general kelly. it's an incredibly tough job. >> only today saying they were going to impose tariffs, controversial tariffs on aluminum and steel and now they're not. kristen, in all this mix, how long would you give jared and ivanka to stay and stick this out since he no longer has the top secret clearances that enable him, despite what they say, enable him to negotiate and meet with foreign leaders? >> great question. i can't put an exact time on it, but i can tell you that there is a lot of scrutiny about that question

jared kushner and ivanka trump are not. if you are gaining financial interest in change for your position of office, that will be a conflict of interest. >> this is all against the backdrop of witnesses leaking of what they've been asked about so it gives a hint to what mueller is looking at. i on my show that airs at 6:00 p.m. had a rare thing and you were there for it of an aide to donald trump who had come straight from basically his mueller interview special he talked to us about his experience. and then he made news by basically implicating donald trump jr. in a problem. take a look. >> i think it's probable that that meeting with don junior i am sure don junior reported to his father what he heard. i don't think there's anything wrong with that. >> you think don junior told his father everything he was hearing of getting offers of dirt? >> yes, i'm sure he did. >> i'm sure too. >> i'm still sure. that's what i'm thinking. i was thinking oh my god, i cannot believe he just said that and does he have a law degree for re

jared had faded inside the 28 days that left kushner diminished privately. the president has reiterated his long-standing concerns. concerned that he was in his view being dishonestly maligned. but everything might be better for them if they simply gave up their government jobs and returned to new york. that is according to a white house official. what is it? does he want them to stay or does he want them to go? >> there's this increasing sense not only from the president and from the people around him and the broader community in washington that jared kushner is somebody who came in and had virtually no government political experience and had almost this princely status in trump's washington and that over the past year, you know, he has shown and demonstrated that perhaps this is not something that he was fully prepared for in the eyes of a lot of people. you know, when you look at the business ties that he has had that have come under close scrutiny, that is something that has raised eyebrows among a lot of people. here is somebody if you rewind to about a

the interesting thing of jared kushner's job is a broad mandate.en called the secretary of everything. what jared kushner could still do with a top secret clearance is perhaps continuing his work on opioids and continue his work on head of the office of american innovation, what he almost could not do is any work that places him squarely in the foreign policy brown. jared was responsible for bilateral relationship with china and our relationship with the gulf countries and our founding relationships with canada and mexico. those duties would be exceedingly difficult or if not impossible for jared to carry out. the foreign policy and national security of this country is not done at the secret level. it is universally at the top secret level. jared would not be able to take part in prep meetings and not be able to read prep materials ahead of any of these meetings. he would be going into these engagements essentially blind putting us the american people in a huge disadvantage. >> i am curious ned, of the number of things that you listed there. in the

a closer look at jared kushner's business dealings. women claim pattern of discrimination at the u.s. forest service, and much more. >> woodruff: president trump promised during the campaign toe get toon trade, and today he took a major step byar announcing newfs on imported steel and aluminum. it has led some experts to warn of a much bigger trade war. but at a meeting with industry leaders, mr. trump said the u.s. needed to crack down on counies flooding american markets with cheap metals. and he told the business leaders the move would give them a big boost. >> pretty much all of you will immediately be expanding if we give you that level playing field, if we give you that help. and you're going to hire more workers, going to be very happy. they're going to be very, very happy. owand again, what's been a to go on for decades is disgraceful. it's disgraceful. >> woodruff: mr. trump said he esuld announce which count would be targeted next week. there would be 25% tarif on steel, and 10% on aluminum. thpresident has repeatedly threate

, what was jared kushner doing and what has he been doing here? i want to get a sense of how his role has changed. what was he charged with? how big of a portfolio did he have at the beginning of the administration. >> the bigger question is what was he not charged with? to include mideast peace, infrastructure at one point, other domestic issues. here you have jared can kushner, a central figure in the trump white house who at this very same time is now marginalized in a way that he hadn't been before. security clearance was downgraded. he lost two huge allies in this white house, one being hope hicks, who is still here, but has announced her departure, and the other being his personal white house spokesperson, a guy who came from hollywood to the white house to basically do pr. he announced he was leaving weeks ago. jared kushner, if he does choose to stay and work, what kind of access does he have to sensitive documents as he would try to work out some mideast peace deal if that is, in fact, part of his mideast peace deal. beyond that, he's lik

jared kushner and -- >> he likes turnover. >> jared kushner and ivanka both should leave the white house. they don't have business being in their official positions. jared does not have the experience to get middle east peace or whatever portfolio they've given him, especially not with a lowered security clearance. so i think that there are a number of different issues, legal and otherwise, for the kushners and for ivanka. >> even if it were true he was clear minded, you know what, jared, does he get rid of him anyway because of the way it looks, because he's under the microscope? do you do that? or are you going to give the media their fodder? >> he's sucking up the headlines and trump doesn't like it. >> you started this by mentioning chris christie at the beginning of the segment. chris christie put jared kushner's father in jail. this week we learned credible reporting, they have a past, but we've done reporting that president trump is asking his chief of staff, which somehow is still in this job, to look for replacement for jared, his daughter and son, and also asked his daughter an

the question is how much "jeopardy" is jared kushner in? i saw the "wall street journal" lead editorial, a newspaper iendly to the president, saying it's time for jared kushner and ivanka trumpto leave the white house staff. they can advise the president but from the outside. my question to you is, as much as we know ahat's happen, how much jeopardy could hee in? >> well, i will ipoint outs a high standard for a prosecutor to prove bribery of a gernment official. it's not enough to show benefits went back andforth. prosecutors are required to show quid pro quo, this for that, before they can prove bribery, i think he has exposure. if i was advising him, i would sa he definitely has criminal exposure, but, at the same time, i think it would be a tough job for a prosecutor to make that very high standard of quid pro quo based on what we know today. though, ofourse, we may not know everything. >> woodruff: for sure. evan osnos, it's a different standard to judge "jeopardy" from a political and a foreign policy making perspective. but how do yo

we know with jared kushner, international debts are on the line. this person will never have a security clearance, a top security clearance. that affects the counsel that the president of the united states is receiving tonight. >> jill, there's a real question here about the next phase in the mueller investigation particularly as it pertains to the news we have that he's preparing hacking charges. at some level, that is not surprising. what do you think the factors are about deciding when he would bring those charges which is the one crime we kind of all know happened because we saw it happen in front of us. >> that's been clear since the intelligence services have told us you that the russians hacked our system. and that the white house is doing nothing to prevent it. and i would say the sooner that mueller acts the better because we need to do something and i was very happy when senator wyden said that it is the congress' job to bring the story to the public. it is mueller's job to bring criminal charges. we shouldn't forget that they need to do

does jared kushner become a problem for the president?ivesting from his family's business is certainly not something that the president could complain about, given that he also is still receiving money from his family business. >> and michael, a final word from you. you opened this door. how can kushner continue on just the middle east front when so much what was we deal with from there, human signals, intelligence among our highest bracketed top secret information? >> it's really hard to see how he can do that, brian. you know, again, you could have brought him in and he does have business experience, he knows a lot of very wealthy people, knows some things about real estate, maybe give him some kind of domestic economic portfolio, maybe. he would still be under qualified i would argue. on the foreign policy front, now he's shut off from huge amounts of crucial information, so much of our foreign policy decision-making is actually based on information that the rest of the world doesn't get to see. the white house is looking a couple of s

his downfall. >> witnesses jared kushner's two weeks collapse has been watching a play. the whole ordeal breaks it down to five acts. first, act one, the knee-capping. it started when kushner lost his security clearance of a critical blow to so many responsibilities. act two, the humiliation, on tuesday, foreign government kisskis discussed way to release kushner. on wednesday, the editorial boards suggested that cushnkush should step down and act four is the plot. then fact five and this is the most consequential, torture trump. the "times" reporting trump is frustrated with kushner who he sees is a liability. >> further according to the w g washington post, the president is not happy of all the attention that his son-in-law is getting. the president quote, "also, new this week everything might be better for them if they simply gave up their jobs and return to new york." new york times go further as trump discussed his departure from the white house. the president tries to navigate family issues. he's attempting to deal with policy issues, of course, at the same time an

jared did. jared wanted to create those groups. he then wasn't completely divided from his family. now that we look closer at the loans, are they good loans? did they make economic success? the kushner company wants you to believe, we always did business with citi and apollo. what are the terms of the loans? if they stink, it'll seem strange. 666 fifth avenue is sitting on a mountain of debt. it is a nasty deal. who is going to finance it? >> what do the companies get in exchange for it? nobody ever writes in a loan form. >> what do they get? i'm sorry. if we had huge infrastructure programs here, public/private partnerships, wouldn't the companies benefit? >> yeah. >> don't you think rolling back dodd/frank is a gift of a century to banks? >> yup. >> come on now. >> we have the executive director of crew, citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington. he is a former federal skrup corruption officer. there was a tweet this morning, the white house chief calligrapher has a higher security clearance than jared kushner. we don't know whether there is quid quo pro between kushne

can jared kushner remain in his position? should he remain?viously john kelly has had to act with respect to his security clearances, and there's been a question about john kelly's role with respect to security clearances in the first place. i had to ask chris wray, the fbi director, to finally get a straight story about when the white house was informed about rob porter and some of his potential security clearance problems. you have security clearance problems at the white house, and you're potentially compromising sources and methods in what can be very serious intelligence matters. >> this is a president who ran on, a, hiring the best people, and b, going after hillary clinton for not handling classified information properly, said she would be the only president who wouldn't be able to get a security clearance. >> and he seems to get so caught up in potential efforts to try to discredit bob mueller, which aren't going anywhere because bob mueller has been so professional. with respect to all these memos and the nunes memo and the schiff mem

, jared kushner.irst he was stripped of his top secret security clearance. then came a "washington post" report that foreign officials privately discussed ways to manipulate him, followed bay report in the new york times that kushner's family business received massive loans after white house meetings with an equity group. and then robert mueller's team is skrcrutinizing whether kushner's business decisions affected things. joining me now is malcolm nance, nathsha baltram. malcolm, starting with you. we talked about the bank meeting that jared kushner had. we know he met with anbang, which owns the waldorfs astoria. explain why the needs of jared kushner, why does that pose a national security risk? >> well, because you may be trading on government information, government intelligence. we don't know whose side you may be trading it for. you may be an agent of a foreign power or using classified information for your own enrichment. he met with the director of veb bank, known as the bank of spies, run by

also, more trouble with jared. the son-in-law is using family ties to prop up business investments. gotten line of credits if he wasn't meeting new creditors in the white house. how does donald trump deal with son-in-law without hurting his beloved daughter ivanka? tune in next week. and people calling mr. trump unglued like a little off the beam based on the wild trade thing he threw out the other day. some say he did that to show general kelly he could do anything he wants. it keeps getting crazier in trump world. old lawyer pays off an actress for him and dumps robert porter for spousal abuse and a hard time to trump's son-in-law who may be skimming business opportunities on the side and all the time, the potter familius shows he's not sweating and throughout all the michigas, this father knows best. that's "hardball" right now. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >>> tonight on "all in." >> jared has done an outstanding job. >> an nbc news exclusive. >> my name is jared kushner. >> the mueller probe wit

>> not that i know of. >> and how about jared kushner? jared kushner becoming a distraction giving all the controversies that he has been at the center of? >> jared is still a valued member of the administration and he will continue to focus on the work that he has been doing. and we'll continue pushing forward on that front as well. >> are there any concerns about conflict of interest given those meetings that he had with companies that gave his family business millions of dollars in loans? >> i would refer you to the statement that was put out by his attorney. >> but the appearance? >> again, i would have to refer you to the statement pout out b his attorney. >> back to the tariffs. is the president concerned about the impact this may have on america's allies like canada, uk, eu? >> the president's biggest concern is making sure that we're doing everything we can to protect american workers. and 245what was what his announcement on his intentions next week are specifically geared towards. this isn't something that he has shied away from

jared and ivanka aren't too happy with him either.nt's daughter and son-in-law be the next to go? let me ask katie after lip. she knows an awful lot about the white house. let's discuss. i interviewed anthony scaramucci last week. and he says this whole evident about jared kushner is a concerted one to get him out the white house. >> i think the reports about john kelly singling out ivanka and jared kushner. if you look at the way he looked at the security clearances. it was dozens of staffers in the white house. so to say he's going after jared kushner i don't think mends with the facts. but there are questions what jared kushner's role will be going forward. benjamin netanyahu has been assigned to coming up with some kind of peace agreement between the israelis and palestinians. the israeli palestinian issue for the united states is all about security. kennedy: it's impossible to take on a task that huge without having that clearance because of the information and untell surrounding it is classified at that level. katie: jared has n

there's long been speculation that ivanka and jared kushner would go -- ivanka trump and jared kushner would move back to new york. it's certainly a possibility. in fact, many -- there are multiple people at the white house who might be interested in other jobs. you can imagine that, after how exhausting it must be in this white house. >> it's exhausting just to be near the white house. >> just to cover it. doing it has to be even harder. >> just to watch it. >> the idea that it will be hard to find people with experience, high-quality people with experience in washington and policymaking to take the jobs, i think it is, again, one more thing to worry about when you think about the good of the country and the need to have a well-functioning white house. >> austan, go ahead. >> no, look, as you might imagine, i totally agree with that sentiment. i mean, i think it's not to -- we should not understate the damage that this trade war would do if they actually enact it. i'm hopeful that he got himself worked up about something, and when people start telling him, wait a minute, this is going