going back to the previous point, one way the russians work is they put people like jared kershner whereone something illegal like soliciting foreign contribution contributions, then they use that against them to get more information. that could have been very well the russians did. >> jon: jared kershner's wife ivanka trump has now added in a tourney. essentially using the same lawyer as the husband. what about that legal strategy? >> i think it's a brilliant strategy. she is one the best white-collar criminal defense attorneys in the country. anyone in the administration should have their own counsel right now. in order to work through the russian investigation. ivanka does not want to appear like she's having a lawyer. that's just semantics, but legally she still her lawyer. i just gives her cover so she's not giving the impression she's doing something wrong. >> jon: jared kershner has gotten this 11 page letter out there. seems like he controls and narrative from here on out. would you agree with this? >> i would. the way that this usually works is the last one to testify is the sou