it's jared kushner and not just jared kushner checking out, in effect, in the waning days of the trumpwas clear to him that the former president, that his father-in-law had lost. what kind of vacuum did that create for the conspiracy theorists, the rudy giulianis as it consider? >> one of the thing wes discovered in writing this book, we were struck by how many people around the president didn't believe the election was stolen but weren't willing to say so publicly, weren't willing to say so to the president and basically checked out of the fight. there was a day jsh jush decided it was a hopeless cause to try to convince the president of something he didn't want to listen to and weren't going fight the program against people like rudy giuliani, sidney powell, all these others who were filling the president's ear with farcically false scenarios about stolen ballots and all of that. basically you had jared kushner, perhaps the most influential adviser, as you know, from four years covering the trump white house, within that building, ceding the field to these conspiracy theorists, decid

among the people on that inaugural trip was donald trump's son-in-law jared kushner, a man with,, let with trump's habits, kushner soon became the presidents de facto peacemaker in the middle east. sorry for all these air quotes, but there is no other way to do this. kushner subsequently traveled to the middle east ten separate times during the four years of the trump administration. one of the things he was supposed to be doing while he was there was collecting money for something called the abraham fund. that fund was meant to finance all types of projects in the middle east. and kushner spent the last few months of the trump presidency jet-setting around the arab states to raise large sums of money to make that happen. in fact, kushner was so busy raising all this money that he missed the entire january 6th insurrection. because he was on his way back to america, from of all places, saudi arabia. kushner was determined, pretty much down to the final minutes of the trump's time in office, was reportedly working on these very official diplomatic efforts. except for all that effort, t

we're expected to hear from ivanka trump, the president's daughter, possibly jared kushner, maybe donald trump, jr. but we're also going to hear for the first time from former white house officials, former administration officials. i believe we will hear from former attorney general bill barr, who, as you know, played a critical role because on december 1st, he said to then president trump, there was no significant election fraud. >> right. >> and that is key, because once again it goes to the committee's argument that he continued down a path where he was -- he was told there was no fraud, and he was repeatedly told what he was doing could end in violence. >> peter baker and susan glass had a piece in "the times" where they talked about jared kushner and ivanka ivtrump and trying t chart their own path and not supporting the president about the election. do you think it would have any impact if, and i have no idea what they're going to show tonight, whether they will slow the ivanka or jared kushner video. but if there was video of them saying there was no widespread fraud, i told my da

>> meaning jared kushner? >> well, interestingly, don, wasn't around until late in the afternoon.in the middle east, he's now raised billions of dollars, including from saudi investment fund, there's a question being investigated by house committee whether he's leveraging official government work to do so. but he was on a plane back from the middle as horrible attack was taking place. he returned home about to get in the shower that afternoon when he receives a frantic, panicked phone call from kevin mccarthy, the house minority leader, as you've been talking about, has radically changed his story from what it was, but pleads with jared kushner to help intervene with his father-in-law but kushner quickly concludes there's nothing he can do. >> your reporting shows a lot of people in donald trump's orbit didn't believe the election was stolen, and you reported on meadows' strategy, what did you learn and what might the committee know? >> for someone not going to be testifying, has been a key witness, before he stopped cooperating turned over thousands of text messages, many of whic

top trump campaign officials also ivanka trump, jared kushner, you will hear their testimony tonight. how insiders tried to convince the president not to declare victory on election night. and who later tried to convince him on the truth, that he'd lost the election. and what the former president did instead. testimony that rudy jugiuliani showed up at the white house election night intoxicated. his attorney denying that. and the attorney general bill barr who says he became demoralized in 2 weeks after the election, describing the former president as detached from reality. and the committee today on the supporters who believed the former president. jon karl live at the capitol. >>> the other breaking headline. authorities say that armed gunman at a summer camp for children outside dallas entering through the lobby, firing into that classroom with children, then moving to the gym. authorities shooting and killing him. we have late reporting coming in. >>> also tonight, 31 members of an alleged white supremacist group arrested in idaho, a quarter mile from a pride parade. suspects from

>> he, meaning jared kushner?nterestingly, don, he wasn't even around until late in the afternoon. he was in the middle east, as we all know. he's now raised billions of dollars including from the saudi investment fund. there's a question being investigated by house committee about whether he leveraging his official government work to do so. he was on a plane back from the middle east as this horrible attack on the capitol is taking place. he returned home just about to get in the shower that afternoon when he receives frantic, panic phone call from kevin mccarthy, the house minority leader who was radically changed his story from what it was on january 6th. he pleads with jared kushner to help, once again, intervening with his father-in-law but kushner quickly concludes there's really nothing he can do. >> your reporting shows lot of people in trump's orbit did not believe the election was stolen. one key player in the kwhous leading up to january 6th was trump's chief of staff mark meadows and you reported on hi

what we're learning about the new video that will be shown and the role ivanka trump and jared kushner could play in the hearing. >>> the alleged plot to assassinate supreme court justice brett kavanaugh. the fbi searching the suspect's home overnight. >>> new video as violent storms slam the middle of the country and today millions of american facing historic heat. even the san francisco bay area bracing for triple digits. >>> president biden overnight on jimmy kimmel. what he told the late night host about the fight for gun reform. >>> later the surprising health benefits of being optimistic. >> and the big news overnight. ♪ >> about brittney. ♪ i'm not that innocent ♪ >> from abc news in new york. this is "america this morning." >> good thursday morning, everyone. >> we begin with today's high stakes hearing on capitol hill. >> lawmaker are promising to reveal new evidence about the plot to attack the u.s. capitol on january 6th, 2021. and we're learning more about the video that will be unveiled in prime time tonight as well as the role president trump's daughter and son-in-law may

jared kushner says -- >> jared, are you aware of instances where pat sip loanny threatened to resign? >> i was trying to get things done. he was always -- him and the team were always saying we're going to resign. we're not going to be here if this or that happens. i kind of took it up to just be whining, to be honest. >> that didn't go over well. >> there's no amount of print stories that can do justice to what that video showed. what that video showed to kushner's former colleagues, they used one word which is arrogance. what you saw happen in that period of time was i once that jared kushner and ivanka trump are trying to suggest they didn't have a lot to do with this. ivanka trump was urging people to keep fighting. jared kushner was in a number of meetings two weeks after election day. eventually hi started focussing on policy matters that mattered to him. he was not in the city on january 6th. they were involved and left it to the paid staff to try to talk to trump about what was happening. by that point trump was hard to talk to and the paid staff kept waiting for the family to

and i know how you feel about jared kushner.ce in business with him, and it didn't work out that well. >> briefly, it's a revealing piece. the point of jared kushner and the investment in the gulf states, the whole point of this affinity partners of him that he started as soon as he ceased being the middle east czar was to do business and make deals with the gulf states. and here we are. and of course, while he was in office, the fund bailed out him and his father from -- >> their real estate problems. we saw that, watched that float by, and barely remember it. kate kelly, and ben rhodes, thank you for spending time with us. and ben thank you for making those points, they are essential about saudi arabia. curt is sticking around. when we return, the war in ukraine is 100 days old, we'll have a live report from kyiv after a quick break. stick with us, if you would. m kv after a quick break. stick with us, if you would. [ kimberly ] before clearchoice, my dental health was so bad i would be in a lot of pain. i was unable to eat. i

interviews with ivanka trump and jared kushner. kevin mccarthy pressed about his comments in the hours after the january 6th attack, saying president trump bears responsibility. tonight, jon karl asking leader mccarthy about the former president's claims even to this day that the election was stolen. what mccarthy said. and janon's exclusive interview with the film maker. >>> also breaking, that deadly ts washitod.c., sisspire thosith lat reporting.ad a foement knew more tn a w ilg much of t were 77 they held their position outside the classroom door. >>> tonight, the police officer now charged with murder after a deadly traffic stop in grand rapids, michigan. the officer accused of shooting patrick leo what in the back of the head. >>> horrific allegations of fraternity hazing at the university of missouri. a student force fed alcohol, now paralyzed, blind, and unable to speak. tonight here, his family demanding criminal charges. >>> a remarkable discovery tonight. the baby who disappeared after her parents were killed more than f

as the aforementioned ivanka trump, jared kushner soundbites we have. the sleeve that fruity right now. >> are you aware of the instances where pat supplement threatened to resign? >> like i said, my interest at that time was trying to get as -- i know that he was always, him and his team were always, we're going to resign, we're not gonna be here if this, happens if that happens, i kind of took it up to be just wanting to be honest with you. >> how that affects your perspective about the election, when eternity barr made that statement? >> it affected my state my perspective. i respect attorney general barr. i exactly what he was saying. >> family members, senior advisers those two to donald trump, how important and powerful was the testimony from the two of them. and are you think we're gonna hear more from them? >> it is important because we have not heard them discuss this publicly in the 17 month since the january 6th attack. -- our reporting shows -- they basically didn't bother to take on that. five advocating that fight. leaving the field in eff

prerecorded interviews including those with former president trump's daughter ivanka and her husband jared kushner. >> our goal is to present the narrative of what happened in this country, how close we came to losing our democracy, what led to that violent attack on the 6th. >> cbs news will bring you coverage of the hearings thursday night. >>> and russia is again taking aim at ukraine's capital of kyiv. for the first time in weeks, russian air strikes hit the city yesterday. smoke could be seen after witnesses reported hearing explosions. moscow claims it destroyed tanks donated to ukraine from other countries. ukraine says that the missiles hit a train repair shop. russian president vladimir putin has warned of striking new targets if the west started supplying ukraine with longer range rocket systems. >>> and queen elizabeth says that she is humbled by all the support she received during the platinum jubilee. the four-day celebration ended yesterday, but not before she made one last public appearance. holly williams reports from london. ♪ >> reporter: there aren't many 96-year-olds who get a

tell jared kushner what you think. >> jared, ivanka, yes, it's hard to stand up to a family member, ayou could have done something. you could have avoided the bloodshed that took place, including the suicides that took place. you heard caroline edwards' testimony. she's still impacted today. many other officers are still hurting. physically and emotionally from what happened on the 6th. >> i know brian was a republican, and i think had voted for trump and a number of house republicans who are still belittling what happened, saying these hearings are political in nature. what do you think of that? >> i'm disgusted. i have to say i'm very unhappy and disappointed with the capitol police leadership. i want to know why we're just now a year and a half into this, seeing some of this surveillance footage of representative loudermilk giving tours to 15 people, not one or two people, but 15 people. and they're taking pictures of stairwells in the capitol. this is post 9/11. i realize the chief was not there at the time. but this is post 9/11, and chief pittman didn't think that was suspicious

elliot, thisere's jared kushner saying he told trump that he wouldn't go along with giuliani. then there is a trump campaign lawyer matt morgan saying law firms weren't comfortable with giuliani's claims. here it is. >> yeah. >> what they were proposing, i thought, was nuts. the theory was also completely nuts. it was a combination of italians, germans, different things had been floating around as to who was around. hugo chavez and the venezuelans. an affidavit from somebody who said they wrote a software, something with the philippines, just all over the radar. >> did you ever share, mr. kushner, your view of mr. religion? did you ever share your perspective about him with the president? >> i guess -- yes. >> tell me what you said. >> basically not the approach i would take if i was you. >> okay. and how did he react? how did president trump react when you shared that view with him? >> he said, you know, i have confidence in rudy. >> i think i had conversations with probably all of our counsel who were signed up to assist on election day as they disengaged with the campaign.

i presume that means jared kushner and ivanka trump. >> it makes it irrefutable to people who may think this is just partisan. they have wide cooperation to people close to the former president. that doesn't mean that republicans aren't going to dismiss this in many ways out of hand. house leader kevin mccarthy today was asked if he thought this was an insurrection and what words he would use to describe this and this is what he said to that question. listen. >> look, what happened january 6th on the capitol was wrong. those who broke into the capitol were wrong and should be dealt with. that's exactly what we have in the process for the police and fbi to deal with. the role within congress, we should look at why we were so ill prepared that day and how do we protect it? >> you've heard republicans make this point time and again trying to say this committee is partisan and it illegitimately formed and just because they say it doesn't mean that it's true. i think the thing that i'm watching is what's the consequence of these hearings. you hear members of the committee continuing to tell

tell us a little bit more about how jared kushner as you described washed his hands of the trump presidencyt look like? >> it is rather extraordinary, on thursday of election week, basically before joe biden had been declared the winner, jared kushner and wife ivanka trump saw which way the election was going. there was no interest in their part in participating in this fight to claim that somehow it had been stolen. they don't believe it was stolen. and they have made clear they don't believe it was stolen to associates and allies. and basically kushner decided this wasn't going to be a fight he was going to wage and he told the president of the united states, his father-in-law that if rudy is going to be meeting giuliani, if rudy is the guy running this, i don't want any part of it. i can't help you in effect is what he said. this goes to the larger story of what happened in this post election period, how is it the president of the united states, you know, waged this campaign to basically overturn the will of the voters and overturn an election. in part because people around him who knew

~ ., , jared kushner? what seemed most im actful jared kushner?proceeding that they had those traumatic feelings come back to the surface from that day. but even more specifically, when we look at the scope of history, liz cheney's presentation will stand out. i've spent many years working on capitol hill and in the executive branch for multiple us presidents. i have never before witnessed a more powerful opening to a congressional hearing. now, keepin congressional hearing. now, keep in mind liz cheney, a rock ribbed conservative, a lifelong republican, the daughter of a former us republican vice president, up there, laying out a very, very powerful indictment against another ex—president from her own party, donald trump. we have never seen anything like that before in american history in the way that liz cheney laid it out. i do believe her remarks will be cited for many years to come, and that i think will be one of the more powerful moments of this entire series of hearings and of the january six elect committee is listening to she methodicall

um his son-in-law gerald jared kushner was in very deep financial trouble in 2015 and 16. the family had bet its fortune a substantial fortune on the purchase of 666 fifth avenue just down the street from trump tower. they paid 1.8 billion dollars a gigantic record for real estate in new york and by 2015 that building was worth a third of what they paid for it, maybe half. jared kushner immediately set out to seek money from america's most important ally among the arab countries in the middle east cutter. we have an important military base there the qataris looked at the proposal and said, you know, we're rich but we're not stupid. we're not making you this kind alone shortly after that donald trump begins attacking cutter. he takes the case of the saudis and the emirates who don't like cutter. and takes their side and lo and behold they get new financing for this building. so one example here is the family the trump kushner family. submarine our national security for money. no previous presidents has done anything like that whatsoever. secondly donald's actions with his h

i said why were they so focused on evivanka trump and jared kushner said why did they do three interviewsd to know, i would imagine, what was she doing, what was her mindset, what had she told her father during and possibly other advisers during that time, so they were focused on her and jared kushner because they were advisers to the president, rather than just on sort of the color around eric trump and donald trump jr. >> what is so interesting about alex hold and the fact of this documentary is that somehow it only entered into the national consciousness in the last few weeks. the committee only found out about it recently. the footage was only turned over recently. alex holder has known about it for a long time. did you get a sense of whether he thinks or has thought that he had something special in his pocket this whole time? >> i think he thought he had something special, but i don't think he realized the magnitude of this. he didn't realize how big it was, i think, until the subpoena came and he said, look, here i am, a documentary, a documentary, potatoes, potatoes, filmmaker, who

jared kushner and paul manafort. and the the subject of the meeting to repeal the magnitsky act. and in theory she was offering dirt on on hillary clinton. and and this was it was quite remarkable when this information came out because this was the first sort of documented meeting between insider trump campaign officials and and people you know agents of the russian government and it's still unclear exactly what happened in that meeting. nobody. we all know what was asked for. we don't know exactly what was offered. but what it did show was two things one one how desperate putin was get rid of the magnitsky act and and the second thing it showed was was how crafty he was about approaching the trump campaign which which i thought was both ominous and interesting. in the in the time that we have left, mr. spreader. i want to return to the war in ukraine, which is the really the showdown for putin and putin's russia. and the outcome will obviously have lasting impact on the world and i want to ask you what i think of as the as the dave petraeus question famously on his way into iraq

peter, what struck me more than anything else was seeing bill barr on tape, ivanka trump on tape, jared kushnerx cannon on tape, jason miller, all of the people closest to donald trump saying something along the lines of, yeah, we knew he had lost, other than kushner who was talking about lawyers. >> no doubt. that's a thread they will pursue in the next hearing on monday. the president and those closest to him knew it was all, in the words of bill barr, the first sound bite played, bs, using the expletive he used in the deposition. we hear about ivanka and her comments is the fact that she, who was the one the president sort of -- i don't know, his favorite child, the one he promoted as could be a future president, succeed him at a time, that there's division between these two as evidenced by his comments on his social platform. we will show this to you. he said ivanka was not involved in looking at election results. this explains why she said she bought the assessment of barr. she had checked out and was trying to be respectful to bill barr. he said his daughter, the one closest to him, the o

"the new york times" reports the committee will also play video excerpts of the testimony from jared kushner and ivanka trump given behind closed doors. although it is unclear if those interviews will be featured tonight. so a big start tonight in primetime. >> right. >> probably strategy for a reason, to place it where most americans can see it. >> yeah. i think so. wil willie, of course, this is going to be fascinating because we will see new evidence, new testimony we haven't seen before. what's most fascinating to me at least is i want the testimony from -- not from trump's opponents, not from people who have been against donald trump his entire life, the people who were on the inside, the people who worked for him, the people who stayed with him despite the fact that they had grave concerns from time to time. the people who were with him on january 6th and reported to, well, just the heinous things that he did. we've gotten a little snippet here or there about how he would run in while the capitol was being besieged. he would actually run in and would watch on tv in the dining room off

this is a clip of jared kushner addressing multiple threats i white house counsel pat cipollone and his of lawyers to resign in the weeks before january 6. >> are you aware instances where pat cipollone threatened to resign? >> like i said, my interest at that time was on trying to get as many pardons done and i know he was always -- him and the team were always sane,, we're going to resign, we're not going to be here if this or that happens. i kind of took it as just being -- to be whining. >> whining. there's a reason why people serving our government take an oath to the constitution. this our founding fathers recognized, democracy is fragile. people in positions of public trust are duty-bound to defend it, to step forward when action is required. in our country, we do not swear an oath to an individual or political party, we take our oath to defend the united states constitution. and that oath must mean something. tonight, i say this to my republican colleagues who are defending the indefensible. there will come a day when donald trump is gone but your dishonor will remain. amy: that

my understanding it actually came from jared kushner who thought this was a good idea and encouragedembers of the family and former president to participate in it. >> you knew nothing about it? >> knew nothing about it. so i think this was something probably close hold, a select group knew about it. and the point you made this is the unvarnished footage what's behind the scenes, the b roll, the outtakes, that's going to be incredibly valuable. and i do think it helps capture mind-set. the clip that was played where the former president is saying, you know, if you disagree with someone it's war, that kind of helps participate the picture of where the man was in the final months leading up to the insurrection. >> listen, i think people think every time there's something new this is going to be the smoking gun. >> very much so. i sat down with the committee, i want to help anyway i can, but i think people need to pump the brakes and let the work be done, let the investigation take place. >> and let's see what's in the documentary before we decide oh, this is the one thing that -- you we

you say that jared kushner in particular ms.imately had the final okay on just about all th hires, and i can't help but think one of the things that most people were disappointed u in the trump administration, an you know i love the president, is the fact that the adjusted did not prosecute lots of the crimes for which we felt and th majority of americans felt case deserved prosecution. we thanked jared kushner for jeff sessions and bill barr. >> ultimately the president makes the personnel decisions, but i think in the case, if you're a family member, you can overstep your portfolio with whatever you want freight there's no question he's a very smart guy, but he had no washington experience. i think it's charming the president president of the united states had no. he was a political outsider as we're other people, but had real-world experience, successful, he was a great job creator and businessman. i think it's important to show humility in there are a few things in washington, i think bipartisanship is a means not a end can

they conducted over 1000 interviews, including with about an trump and jared kushner.joined with rick klein. i walk us through the process. >> tonight is the opening argument. we are expecting close to duping hours -- two hours, excerpts from testimony, some live testimony from a documentary filmmaker who was there and a police officer. they hope it connects some doubts for people. memories fade and by bringing new footage, the hope of the committee is to start up with a strong statement that reminds people of the horror of that date. kristen: do you expect the smoking gun? >> my expectation is not that there is some big thing that connects former president trump to all of this. we are blurred in our minds about how much evidence is already known. i do not expect much more will come up that. i think there will be new information either tonight or in the subsequent hearings that shows this was not the random one off event. that this took weeks of planning. it was an orchestrated event. to try to overcome the election. that i think is what we are looking at. whether at t

. >> it was said senior advisor and trump's son-in-law jared kushner pushed for the president not to listen to giuliani. ultimately, the president ended up declaring himself a winner on november 4th. former white house attorney general william barr said kushner was among several advisers trying to get the former president to stop pushing claims of election fraud, something that trumped continued to do. the former presidents 2020 campaign manager bill studying did not testify as expected. his wife went into labor this morning. the committee did play his recorded deposition. in that selection, bill testified showing that trump was leading the election night. experts knew that would change. it did change in weeks following the election as more mail ballots and they were processed and counted for biden . >> we told the group that went over there, that they outlined my belief for success at this point. we had maybe five or 10% based on how they were initiated or could be initiated based on old challenges, not all of the legal challenges in pursuit. it was varying from five to 10%. >> ahea

how jared kushner washed his hands of trump before january 6th, right? we always hear, he wasn't there on january 6th, he wasn't doing it at all. because what he was doing, he was focused on his own personal project. he was in the middle east, raising money, so when trump was out of office, jarred could become the rich, rich man he always wanted to be. what do you think about that? >> i think the underlying point there in peter's reporting and susan glasser, his coauthor and wife on this project, in this book that is out in the fall, which i can't wait to read, is what you realize is, there is, around trump, in those moments, nobody was there. you had people like hope hicks, which peter reported in his story, who had vanished and told trump, no, sorry, i'm not with you on this. and that created this vacuum, where people like rudy giuliani and sidney powell and mike lindell could come in and have the ear of the president of the united states. and that is so extraordinary. but that is the reality of the republican -- >> okay, hold on. i know we are out of

you might recall this testimony from trump's son-in-law jared kushner about cipollone th threatening to resign ahead of january 6th. >> are you aware of instances where pat cipollone threatened to resign? >> i kind of my interest the at time was trying to get as much done. i know that he was always him ask the team were saying we're going to resign. we're not going to be here if that happens. so i kind of took it up to be whining, to be honest with you. >> sara murray, what can you tell us a about the efforts to get cipollone to testify? >> it's not a secret effort. liz cheney was pretty clear in yesterday's hearing she wants pat cipollone out there testifying in public. here's what she said. >> our committee is certain that donald trump does the not want cipollone to testify here. indeed, our evidence shows that mr. cipollone and his office tried to do what was right. we think the american people deserve to hear from mr. cipollone personally. he should appear before the committee and we are looking to secure his testimony. >> this is someone who is trump eers former white house coun

he called jared kushner, called cipollone whining, essentially, about this. we heard another staffer who was in the room when cipollone said to some of these folks who were pushing the elector's scheme, telling them that this was not legal, and so that's one of the things that you heard from liz cheney yesterday. she was calling them out, saying cipollone, we need you to come forward. he believes, obviously, this would set a precedent. something that goes back to the nixon era, and that's one reason why there's been so much resistance for him to come in. >> evan perez, thanks so much. >>> another moment from that testimony yesterday was powerful testimony from local election workers in georgia who described how their lives were destroyed by threats from people who believed donald trump's lies about them. georgia secretary of state testified the threats went beyond him to members of his family. >> i was getting texted all over the country and eventually, my wife started to getting texts and hers typically, texts which were disgusting and some people broke into

son-in-law jared kushner served as senior white house advisers and both testified before the committee. a videotaped deposition of ivanka trump discussing conversations with her father could provide new insights about her father's mindset that day. nbc news chief white house correspondent peter alexander has more on what we should expect tonight. sfwlfrmgts it was the most vooilt attack on the u.s. attack in more than 200 years and tonight in the very building where it took place, the house committee investigating the assault will lay out the initial findings in vivid tail for the american people. >> it was a multilevel, multi-step process of trying to negate and nullify and destroy joe biden's majority in the electorate college. >> tonight is an opening statement of sorts. first in a series of severn hearings to show how donald trump's obsession and repeated false claims of voter fraud laid the foundation for the deadly siege. leading off tonight's hearing expected to run two hours in prime time, new video of the attack. as well as live testimony from a british documentary filmmaker,

that no one -- >> that implies that at some point, jared kushner was the grownup in the room. yes, he was not pushing the big lie, he and steve mnuchin were overseas trying to gain big bucks for themselves. phil rucker, jeremy, glen, all hearings on that hearing tomorrow. thank you for getting us ready. >>> coming up, emotional testimony from an 11-year-old child who survived the uvalde school shooting. her message to lawmakers as we try to provide some sort of agreement on gun laws. >>> later, what we can learn from last night's primaries, as michael steele and maria teresa-kumar, the signals we are getting from voters in both parties and the impact it can have on the midterm. the 11th hour just getting under way on a very busy wednesday night. nesday night. do you have a life insurance policy you no longer need? now you can sell your policy - even a term policy - for an immediate cash payment. we thought we had planned carefully for our retirement. but we quickly realized we needed a way to supplement our income. if you have $100,000 or more of life insurance, you may qualif

watching a jared kushner acknowledge that other members of the trump administration threatened to resignecause of what was going on, these are going to be significant moments. and there are others. now, the live testimony i think can be important, but i don't think we should rule out just the power of these depositions. they're crisp, they're kind of lawyerly, and i think they're going to be very important in painting a chronological narrative, a fact narrative about what happened in the lead up to and what happened on january 6th. >> and the committee has complete control of a videotape versus a live witness. carl, you've talked about republicans and presidents nixon's own party ultimately pushed him out. obviously times are very different now. still do you think a case made by liz cheney or adam kinzinger is landing on any republican ears? are you hearing any republicans saying they're beginning to wonder and hear about what else is being presented? >> not yet. we've got a ways to go, but i think we've got to say to ourselves this is pivotal moment in the history of the republican part

this is a clip of jared kushner addressing multiple threats by white house counsel path cipollone and his team of lawyers to resign in the weeks before january 6th. >> jared, are you aware of instances where pat cipollone threaden -- threatened to resign? >> like i said, my interest at that time was trying to get --, and i know him and the team were always saying, oh, we're going to resign, we're not going to be here if this happens, if that happens, i kind of took it to just be whining, to be honest with you. >> whining. there's a reason why people serving in our government take an oath to the constitution. as our founding fathers recognized, democracy is fragile. people many positions of public trust are duty-bound to defend it, to step forward when action is required. in our country we don't swear an oath to an individual or a political party, we take our oath to defend the united states constitution, and that oath must mean something. tonight i say this to my republican colleagues who are defending the the indefensible: there will come a day when donald trump is gone, but your dis

members of donald trump's own family, his daughter ivanka, son-in-law jared kushner, could have stood up and sounded the alarm. they went along with the ex president and his lies until the very end. as maggie haberman reports in the new york times, ivanka trump colleagues have recalled her being among those urging white house staff members to fight, even as it became clear that her father would most likely lose. her husband, jared kushner, was also senior advising the white house, and attended several meetings about postelection strategy, with a range of political and west wing advisors as well as lawyers like rudy giuliani. but they both admitted to the committee, again, under oath, when forced to, in testimony we finally got to see of the past few days, that they knew it was all nonsense. >> this is the presidents daughter, commenting on bill barr's statement that the department found no fraud sufficient to overturn the election. >> how did that affect your perspective about the election, when donald trump attorney general barr made that statement? >> it affected my perspective. i r

is that not the most jared kushner job ever? it's like the quid pro quo job in any administration, we are the rich and powerful, fraudsters, money launderers, come at the end of an administration and say, how am i going to hook you, pardon me? how did jarred end up with that. >> yeah, over the four years, jarred had shown interest in criminal justice reform and had worked on getting pardons for people who did not have connections, people who had been put away for a relatively minor drug crimes. but in his final days, the big list that trump approved before leaving office did include all these people who had political connections, all these people who have been part of a circle in some ways, including ten kyrsten, who had been [inaudible] facing possible charges, i think, for stalking. what you see there is jared playing consigliere, who is deserving to get these pardons, who deserves to get off the hook in these final days. one of the big fights they had was over the ban. and remember, the ban was running this war room. he had f

this is a clip of jared kushner addressing multiple threats by white house counsel pat cipollone and his team of lawyers to resign in the weeks before january. 6th. are you aware instances >> pat cipollone threatened to resign? i kind of like i said, my interest in that time is on trying to get as many partners stop. >> i know that, you know, he was always to him. and the team are always saying, oh, we're going to sign be here. this happens if that happens. so. took up to just be wanting to be honest with you. >> there's a reason why people serving in our government take an oath to the constitution as our founding fathers recognized democracy is fragile. people in positions of public trust are duty bound to defend it to step forward. when action is required. in our country. we don't swear an oath to an individual or political party. we take our oath to defend the united states constitution. and that oath must mean something. i say this to my republican colleagues who are defending the indefensible. it will come a day when donald trump is gone. but your dishonor will remain. i ask all

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well, like so many unfortunate episodes, it starts with jared kushner. you see, peter navarro's day job was an economist. and after his many failed democratic campaigns, he made something of a name for himself as an increasingly hysterical unhinged even china hawk. he published titles like death by china, confronting the dragon, and the common china wars. and during the 2016 campaign, when trump wanted to look tough on china -- jared kushner literally went on amazon, yeah, he went on amazon, saw a book titled, death by china, and thought, it sounds good to me. jared then called navarro, and he told -- navarro became trump's first economic adviser. a new spotlight on navarro's work was not entirely positive. the chronicle of higher education went through his books and discovered that we navarro has invented an imaginary friend. he repeatedly a source, who he described as a military veteran, a harvard trained economist who made seven figures in the stock market by investing in companies that do well during international crises. but little scrubs of wisdom,

jared kushner sat down with him for several moments. ivanka trump as well.mp junior, i'm told, sat down with them for about an hour and spoke to them. you saw him in the trailer for the documentary. they actually asked him for a second interview. i'm told ultimately that never happened. they were under the impression this was going to be a flattering portrayal of former president trump, and that also they would have editorial say so over what the final product looked like. okay, obviously that has had a wrench thrown into it given the footage that's been turned over to the january 6th committee, but the question inside has been whether or not they have any concerns about what they've said on camera. a lot of them say they can't recall the full extent of their comments because they were conducted. they weren't really concerned about them when pence did his, i'm told some of his top aides weren't in the room for it because they didn't have a high level of concern about what was going to be said on the interviews. another key aspect is not just that they were a

you know, they have jared kushner, his son-in-law, on tape from his deposition where, you know, you saw it's worth a read by peter baker. ivanka and jared tried to wash their hands of the presidency on that day and begin moving to miami and telling all their friends, telling people on capitol hill that the election was over. they didn't agree with the approach. then rudy giuliani was involved in the strategy. they wanted nothing to do with it. they wanted to stay as far away from it as possible. that will be the center stage drama. >> certainly, we'll be watching for how trump responds this evening. no longer on twitter, but i'm sure he'll find a way. we can all look forward to that. >>> jim, shifting gears, axios has new data on what google search has found in the wake of the mass shooting in uvalde. what can you tell us? what are people looking up? >> yeah, there's -- one of the things we're trying to do to measure engagement and see what people care about is looking at google searches. searching in most districts to the first or second most searched term is guns. this coincides with

and some didn't say anything or didn't fight it, that is jared kushner who washed his hands of the whole thing and decided he wasn't going to fight rudy giuliani and instead leave the field to the conspirators and to the sidney powells and did nothing to stop his father in law from heading down the course that he was heading and i think that is a very ref latory moment, how this could have taken place. >> and joe, not only did the president trump encourage that mob even though he knew the lie was a lie, he made no effort to use the instruments of his power to use the government to stop it. quoting liz cheney, president trump placed no call to any element of the united states government to instruct that the capitol be defended. he did not call the secretary of defense, did he not talk to his attorney general, he did not talk to the department of homeland security, he gave no order to deploy the national guard that day. he sat, joe, in that dining room adjacent to the oval office watched it on tv, reportedly rewinding it to watch some of his favorite parts as the capitol was attacked. >> t

i'd be curious to see what ivanka trump received, what jared kushner testified and what come out andat. because family, obviously, is a different scenario. that said, i am also interested in how what comes out and whether the justice department does anything with that information. >> will the justice department do anything with it is part of it. we know that some of the focus is going to be about people around mike pence. and mike pence that day. the president of the united states was at the capitol, the crowd was chanting hang mike pence. he defied the president. the president wanted to come up with a theory that didn't exist, block the electoral college. the former chief of staff may testify. former federal judge who helped the vice president go through the legal options and they decided there weren't any. some of the people have credibility. the people do have credibility in trump world, or at least did have credibility in trump world. can they change minds? >> we'll see. i think by this point, it seems like most minds are made up. those are respected, conservatives. so we will se