you make sense of the world but i do hope that the president would even say to somebody like jared or ivanka, i hear you but you to run that through john first. if he does that, that will help. >> one of the things every president has kitchen cabinet or close advisers that are not cabinet officials per se but they rely, ronald reagan had his buddies out in california who would advise him on ad hoc basis but it never got, i don't think it got to to the point of being disruptive that replaced the powers that be and that's where the issue of order has to come back in. do you think that general kelly

you make sense of the world but i do hope that the president would even say to somebody like jared or ivanka, i hear you but you to run that through john first. if he does that, that will help. >> one of the things every president has kitchen cabinet or close advisers that are not cabinet officials per se but they rely, ronald reagan had his buddies out in california who would advise him on ad hoc basis but it never got, i don't think it got to to the point of being disruptive that replaced the powers that be and that's where the issue of order has to come back in. do you think that general kelly will have the freedom to tell the president, this is disruptive, sir, this is getting in the way of my job and helping you to do your job? >> i think he could probably try to do that. i know that the president likes to call around to several of his friends. i actually think it's the leak investigation for the ones that kellyanne conway, the embarrassing leaks, internal white house staff. i think that could be coming outside the white house of people inside the white house including the president tel

whether it's reince priebus or jared or ivanka. can kelly fiction that and streamline that management process? >> management is the word. when you talk to people in the white house, they say competing views are a good thing. but they can't happen in the wrong setting. you can't have leakers leak everything out to the press. it undermines the whole process. he needs to figure out who he can get in the room when it's critical and the president needs to make a decision. he need to figure out who should have access and be able to walk into the president's door without asking permission. scaramucci, you do something wrong and you are gone. ari fleischer said you can't tell the president's daughter she is gone. cheryl: . thank you very much. we appreciate it. all of these breaking news out of the white house. speak of the white house and top republican lawmakers are working hard to try to pivot to thanks reform. we are talking to someone who was with the treasury secretary today. he's joining me next. you always pay your insurance on tim

whether jared or ivanka gets behind either one of them. he doesn't care about that. it's a constant reminder when you're the president of the united states the world does not wait to see what you're going to do. you have a constant crisis and disastrous tossed at your doorstep and you have to be ready for these things. >> tom and errol, always grateful to have your thoughts with us today. thank you. >> thanks. >> thanks. >>> there is heightened security at australia's airports this morning after police say they have stopped a terrorist plot to bring down a plane. four people have been arrested in overnight raids in sydney. investigators say they found suspicious devices during those searches. anna coren joins us from the sydney airport. what can you tell us about the plan and how they found this plane. >> reporter: well, victor, the government has described this as an elaborate credible conspiracy to blow up an australian plane and kill innocent civilians. it certainly had intelligence and security agents scrambling in this country but they certainly managed to foil

questioning whether or not jared kushner should have security clearance and then today 22 of your fellow democratic congress men signed a letter, sent it to the fbi demanding answers on ivankaurity clearance if she's withholding any information that's not included on her form. you didn't sign the letter, but i wonder if you agree or if you have concerns about either jared or ivanka having a security clearance. >> i'll just point this out which is, again, it's fair to ask the question as my colleagues did because of the almost daily repeated pattern of there being meetings that were not disclosed. this started back with the attorney general's confirmation process where the attorney general apparently forgot to report a bunch of contacts with the russian ambassador. this goes way, way back. so it's a fair question to ask. if a united states marine or a cia officer or somebody else had filled out their sf 86 and completely left all of this material information off of that sf 86, this is the form you use to get a security clearance, that individual would not only have not received that security clearance, but there's a good chance that individual would have been fired from thei

imagine getting into a fight with jared or ivanka. they're always going to be there. if he gets a secretary and title and he's working in the west wing, then who cares whether he's getting a salary or not. this could be a violation of the spirit of the nepotism law. the law is the law. we need our president to obey it. we need him to know he has to. >> with each passing day, we learn troubling news, like the fact that his son-in-law who has no foreign law experience, failed to disclose meetings on his security clearances. three times he did it. some are wanting to cut out part of the problem. >> i think it would be in the president's best interest if he removed all of his children from the white house. not only donald trump, but ivanka and jared kushner. >> u.s. congressman jackie spirit of california. he's a member of the house intelligence committee. congresswoman, you know there's a reason why throughout history nepotism has been frowned upon because it create this is situation where the princesses and princes have the incredible power that the public didn't give t

the new way it's going to work, which is hard as i'm saying, even imagine him saying that to jared or ivanka. it does president seem the way trump operates. if he would do that maybe kelly would have a chance at that. i think what kelly is going to have to try to do is sort of clear out the under brush and get to a level place because they're so below ground right now being able to accomplish the day to day locking and tackling the white house. if he can get to a level place with the staff to create a functioning white house, then maybe these personality dramas, they still may go on, but they may have less impact on the day-to-day work. >> follow-up on that's correct let's look at how hard it is to work for donald trump. since he's been in office for six months, we've lost a chief of staff, a deputy chief of staff, a press secretary, a communications director, a national security advisor, an fbi director, and all of those, it keeps going on. it shows how hard it is to work for him. an argument can be made he brings out the worst in some of these people who work for him who they thought would

mean the investigation goes away, it means the individuals can't be prosecuted but if it was say jared or ivanka or some others they might have to testify because they wouldn't have the privilege against self-incrimination so the investigations could go on and on so just pardoning himself, even if not himself doesn't put an end to it, the previous point is who says s going to stand up if there is a problem. if the president exceeds what we conceive as being improper, going past the proper boundaries, will the congress do its role in terms of helping to put checks and balances on the presidency? that's one of the big questions, the president, the congress, others. it's all part of a big system and for 200 plus years we've had this system and no one is bigger than that. >> so let's get to the press and the justice department. what should be the response? if donald trump attempts to pardon himself and hobbles the ability of the russia problems to go forward, what should be the press' reaction? >> i think the press is doing the right thing this is digging every single day and don't forget, joy, as y

can't blame him, steve bannon or jared and ivanka or miller or anyone else walking in or out of the office or scaramucci caught off guard and the president's transgender tweet. taken 8, 10 or 12 positions on what should happen next in the health care debate. that's not anybody on the staff's fault. not saying they don't need staff structure. the "wall street journal" said the shuffling of staff furniture won't matter unless the white house realizes the president isn't mr. priebus. it's him. hiring general kelly, a mission of sorts, never say it publicly, that i need help or sick of reince and will put a general there? >> it's probably more of the latter but not purely the latter. look, trump, the issue is that trump does not fundamentally respect reince priebus as much as he respects general kelly. right? easier to listen to somebody you fundamentally respect and aren't always jockeying with in your head, are they are right or am i right? we've seen in the different positions trump has taken there isn't one person he's really listening to. sometimes to his kids. sometimes to bannon. someti

level staffers seem to have walk in privileges with the president, and if you're someone like jared kushner or ivankarump and you're used to being able to walk in and speak to the president, you'll have general kelly granting permission for things you didn't used to have to have permission. >> obviously his daughter and son-in-law spend time with him that is outside the structure of the white house. even if the idea that everyone will report to general kelly instead of just the president, it seems like it's going for hard to enforce. >> steve bannon is another one of these players, looking at your book, you write about the surprise elevation of bannon to head trump's campaign, which took a lot of people by surprise, when it happened on august 17, that it hit washington like a thundercloud, and to most insiders like a bad punch line. explain. >> bannon before joining the trump campaign was famous of being the chairman of breitbart news, that was as eager and in some cases more eager to attack republicans than it was democrats. and if you were a politician that had come under the crosshairs of breitbar

president then have still and around the chief of staff and will the senior advisor, jared kushner or daughter ivanka -- do they have an end around the new chief of staff? that's the question to ask and it's probably an answer the white house has not officially been ready to give. >> i can imagine you are right about that. to add a little color to that, when you consider the unique structure of this white house, a group of people that don't have a ton of washington experience and in many cases, have none. now they are going to be led in part by someone who is the ultimate insider. he may not be a huge political experienced person but we are talking about a man who not only knows the washington game, he's been around long enough to know how to lead, especially in a unique environment. that's what we will all watch unfold here beginning monday, bret. >> bret: kevin corke on the north lawn. joining us here on the phone, leon panetta joins me now. thank you for joining us. >> is a pleasure to be with you. >> bret: tell us what your thoughts are on this day? being in that job, and perhaps the difficulties

information will flow through general kelly to the president, or whether or not some of these people will still go around him. jared and ivanka have indicated they will follow kelly's lead. whether or not that means they will still have access to the president is another question. i imagine they probably will. >> harris: it's interesting, too, with the new director who came in last week, whether or not he'll continue to report directly to the president. remember his predecessor, i shouldn't say predecessor, but revis left because the chain of command was not something certain people were comfortable with. we'll move on now to north korea. it's not lost on many of us that there is a general inside the white house. now, his role may be chief of staff, but messaging alongside a president when you're dealing with north korea doesn't hurt to have a general. >> reporter: two generals. not only general kelly but general h.r. mcmaster. the president this morning in that cabinet meeting acknowledging the increasing threat from north korea. particularly the latest intercontinental ballistic missile. the president's u.n. ambassador nikk

or have a direct line to president trump. also how does jared kushner factor in. will he go to general kelly or ivanka trump. i think there are still questions about the order but we are hearing senior officials saying he has the authority and trust of the president to straighten out the white house. >> tucker: the general is regarded as successful and confident, has taken a job with assurances that he could do that, right? >> yeah, he was in a job that he was succeeding at. he fell on a sword in the beginning when that executive order backfired. he went out in front of the present said i can do better. i do think there was this loyalty factor and i think we'll see what happens. in 1973, president nixon turn it to a new chief of staff after watergate. former general, to star and promoted to four-star took over that white house. >> tucker: the only criticism i've seen was from barbara lee from california. she said this is terrifying indicator of the militaristic direction of the white house. was there any other opposition? >> not really, think about what we've been through. it was monday that sean spicer left

we're seeing again and again bannon reflects trump's sningts much more than jared kushner or ivanka trump another example of that. that's why this tax cut for trump voters, tax hike for people like. all the people around the table is going to get a big hearing from president. >> what's liberal orthodoxy. >> gary cohen you say may leave the white house, the moment he concludes the tax reform is dead or not possible. a lot to get through. thanks so much. good to see you. >> happy holiday to you and yours. >> still ahead on "morning joe" -- [ inaudible ] >> didn't clog but go ahead. i didn't get any sun today. >> that sound bite hasn't aged particularly well. local newspaper gets photos of governor chris christie spending time on the beach sunday that was closed because of government shutdown. wait until you hear the explanation from his office. that's ahead on "morning joe". ♪ thank you is what we say. but we mean so much more. we mean how can we help? we mean what can we do? we mean it's our turn. to do our part. to serve you, for all you've done to serve us. ♪ the beswith neutrogena® beac

he didn't consult chief of staff reince priebus or steve bannon, he made this decision based on advice from ivanka and jared. and anthony scaramucci, he's a former hedge fund manager, a donor, but not someone who has any experience, one scintilla of experience about communications -- government communications or policy communications. his big advantage is that he's smooth on camera, that he in some ways is like trump himself. that he can channel trump and that he is willing to do what he did in his opening remarks to the press, which is to go out there and really stroke the president in a very public way, to talk him up and to try and, i guess, be a bridge to the media in a sense because he seemed like he was willing to take a less combative tone maybe than sean spicer. but make no mistake, trump is not holding to the pledge that he made at the beginning of his administration, which was, look, folks, i don't have any experience in government or policy, but i'm going to bring in the absolute best people. i know how to look for great people with great resumes and lots of experience. he's hiring people in his

does that mean that ivanka trump or jared kushner or steve bannon want to go meet with the president they've got to go to john kelly first or if they do -- >> if you're a commissioned officer at the white house, special assistant deputy assistant to the special or the highest level, you are poinld by the president, not by the chief of staff, but the president. but it's appropriate for the president to say i'm appointing you, but i'm expecting you to have you work through the chief of staff. that's the discipline. >> this white house is unlike any other. and most of that is because this president is unlike any other, and he thrives on chaos. that's the way he's always operated. that's the way his campaign operated, transition up until now. who is to say that john kelly is going to be able to instill order within donald trump when everybody else has failed before him? >> i think the jury is still out on that. but i know that generals don't believe in leadership by chaos. by definition they are asking young men and women to follow tactical commands made by a general, and those commands

or four months to get that reservoir of troops. first of all, when we talk about forever trumpers, there are probably only three. jared, ivanka and melania. there was nobody at the beginning he really thought this president was going to have that she had no resources. unlike hillary or obama, who had vast resources, or even the republican side that teams of people who are governed and been in politics, available to come in to these positions, from every a great position pays $125,000 a year. you want to be punished, whips on your back? can you imagine going into the government with everything in front of you? now we have a president under fire. 500 investigations going on and he says i have a great job. i want you to the assistant secretary. give up your $1 million your salary. i will give you $119,000 year. there are 17 press interviews. at the end of the day here you are. very difficult. they are doing a great job of filing the restoreth base. once that gets blinded, we get to the terms of congress. there is no congressional bandwidth. you can't have another. defeat when you look at what congress will get done between now a

kushner companies, which is jared's company, which is mostly new jersey and maryland company or has been until the sort of regal marriage of jared kushner to evoke a trump. -- ivankarump. the state department continues to be suffering from lack of appointments by the either career of officials moving up or other ambassadors being appointed. yes. trump has had a difficult time, first of all, i don't because a lot of interest -- president trump -- in appointing ambassadors. he does not have a wide reach of experts in foreign affairs who are his friends, which is a traditional method for presidents to appoint their people to ambassadorships. and he does not have that much interest either in moving up the career officials. what happens is, a lot of countries are left wondering, who am i supposed to deal with? there is no ambassador to my country and the desk for my country in the state department is sort of empty, who do i go to in the u.s. for my country? i think one of the unfortunate element of this is not only has jared been put in charge of a lot of big portfolios, for example, china and peace in the middle east, but smallller countries are not knowing where to g

out there defending his dad on twitter and television in a much less scripted way than ivanka or eric or certainly jared who you never see. he's a risk-taker. e likes to go out there and fight. and that may have taken him too far in this case. >> molly, kate, thanks very much. joining tonight for

out there defending his dad on twitter and television in a much less scripted way than ivanka or eric or certainly jared who is very powerful, we know, but who you never see. he's a risk-taker. e likes to go out there and fight. and that may have taken him too far in this case. >> molly, kate, thanks very much. joining tonight for the special report "the first son, the life of donald trump jr." that's at 9:30 eastern. >>> thanks for our international viewers, cnn talk is next. for our u.s. viewers, "new day" continues right now. >> i think it's a meeting that most people in politics probably would have taken. >> the evidence has become so overwhelming that he and his campaign were working with the russians. >> even overseas new questions about russia. >> let's focus on what the president was aware of. nothing. >> it seems strange to me that those meetings were at least con vee veen yently forgotten. >> if you vote no on this bill, it's a vote for obamacare. >> republicans leaders didn't if iks the problems. they made them a whole lot worse. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> w

one.uestion is probably no maybe ivanka or jared kushner.this. focus on health reform, focus on tax reform. that's where the real interest him.d lie for back to the "new york times" piece. in the first paragraph, according to three advisors to house and two others with knowledge of it, why is sourced out the white house? i'm curious of the motivation? that the president himself, has a spin in most of with.visors disagree that's why they don't want to be identified. this does infuriates trump. lot of the things that hurt him come from anonymous sources and leaks. advisors feel there should have been a stronger push back against putin. >> is it another bombshell or is there a bombshell still to come? thing withthis donald trump jr. has legs. one moreust investigation that robert mueller is going to have to on.d time mueller is more discreet than comey. determined.ust as i think mueller as the year comes to an end, will become a really big story. tom: i'm asking the same question i asked kevin cirilli earlier. sense the president or the white h

is this a victory for jared and ivanka and a defeat for reince priebus or is that an over sim simplification. >> i think it's a victory for the new york elite that is around part of what is around donald trump. i think that -- i have the same deep skepticism that this is going to fundamentally and change donald trump's approach. on the other hand, shawn spicer was always sort of ill fitting in that administration. he wasn't the kind of person in any way that donald trump kind of could look at and say, yeah, that's the guy i want sort of carrying my message. and scaramucci sort of is. i think we will need to see over, i mean, he's on the shows this morning. he's doing other -- he'll be on tv all the time i think. if that proves to be something that is sort of a solve for donald trump, then it may change things a little bit. >> one thing you can really tell from that press conference is how much anthony scaramucci enjoyed being up there, enjoyed talking to the press. he was kind of given the hook several times. he wanted to stay there and in some ways wanted to talk about him, his best-selling

very start, whether you're talking about the clashes between steve bannon, jared and ivanka in the early days of the administration or in recent days anthony scaramucci going against old guard. in terms of whether he'll be able to do that, he's someone who is seen as a stabilizing force. as you pointed out, he's a military guy. he's had a long history with order. but the challenge becomes how does that translate into the president's policy agenda. think about health care, for example. reince priebus' selling point, one of the reasons he said he was up to the challenge of chief of staff, he' the person to get health care over the finish line, overhaul obamacare. he had all these relationships on capitol hill. of course it didn't get done. that's part of why it's believed reince priebus lost his job. that's going to be a real challenge for kelly who, of course, doesn't have the same background when it comes to policy dealing with congress. i think that is the steep task ahead. in terms of whether or not the president will embolden him to carry out the duties of chief of staff, that remains to be seen. >> the president

daughter, ivanka, because the form, the sf-86 security clearance application form, the way it asks its questions, it asks about you or your family. unless ivan yap disclosed his russia meetings and jared -- ivanka may also be in a pickle and potentially be open to prosecution on these matters. and if that really is just personality-wise and in terms of his values and in terms of what emotionally gets him, if that really is the kind of thing that would send the president into panic mode, that may be part of this as well. well, now tonight the "wall street journal" was first to report that jared kushner and ivanka trump have had to refile and amend their financial filings because they left millions of dollars in dozens of assets off their initial filings. now, two days ago on this show we spoke with the outgoing head of the office of government ethics walter schaub who resigned at the frustration of the enormity of the ethical viegss of the trump administration and trump family. he warned us two nights ago that the president might try to do an end run around his office basically, around the person from that office who is next in line under walter schaub and who would be expected to take

the way to appeal, you do see some of that and you see jared kushner and of our control -- ivanka tru mp when rising in terms of women's issues ors of the middle east or the u.s. relationships with other countries. i would say, so far the established republican wing seems to have suffered the most weight reince priebus and paul ryan represents with the president pressing congress, the leadership in congress to continue to the nuclear option and apply it to legislation so they do not need 60 votes to move forward. . , the the president conference is the president did not get involved in the health care about, will he be told he will get more involved? what theestion now is administration does, policy wise, limitation wise in terms of going forward. that is a big question in terms how the rhetoric and terms of obamacare is already dead -- he will just let it go. his responsibility to govern and whether the administration takes active steps to cross or minimize the affordable care act, or just the back. -- step aback. playwill be the biggest power wise. the advocacy and health insurance and community about what steps the ministries

ivanka trump security clearance. at issue, whether the first daughter disclosed any of her foreign contacts with those of her husband jared kushner or her brother. donald trump jr. kushner had to revise his security form several times. the lawmakers write we are concerned that ivanka trump may have engaged in similar deception. >>> foreign buyers are pumping up u.s. home prices just as supply, housing supply, is the tightest in years. foreign buyers spent a record 1 $153 billion on u.s. properties last year, that is a nearly 50% increase. the two biggest buyers were from canada and china. right now inventory in the u.s. is tight, demand is high, but construction hasn't been able to keep up causing prices to rise. builders blame slow construction on labor shortage and more spence s expensive supplies. it's now more expensive than during the building boom. costs rise over a possible tariff. the threat alone has driven up prices which the industry says could boost the average cost of a new home by $3,000. >>> ahead, new details this morning about what may have led a police officer to shoot justine ruszczyk. now minute lynesota police t

jared kushner, ivanka trump, his daughter and senior advisor. do we know if there will be any adjustmen adjustments made to their privileges or if this will move into this traditional format where they will have to go through the chief of staff. >> it's hard to tell at this point. scaramucci had the backing of jared and ivanka. but as sarah pointed out, scaramucci is a powerful figure and a blunt one as well. creating a whole new power center. these are all things that are in the air right now. i mean, there's a lot to watch. there's a lot of change all at once. normally these things happen at a month at a time. >> this all happened in a week of one another. we'll see how this free wielding communications director deals with this general as chief of staff. >> thank you all. >> thank you, victor. >>> well, new this morning the iran revolutionary guard is reporting a new incident. they say u.s. navy aircraft carrier fired warning flares at iranian vessels. the iranian navy says they flew a helicopter near an oil and gags platform. this comes after a similar incident earlier this week. iran and the ugs frequently have run-ins in the persian gulf. cnn

or father-in-law. he knows that. >> you're talking about jared kushner and ivanka trump. >> yeah, they were pushing for -- >> yeah. >> he should be brought in and given total control. >> thanks to you all. >>> and a programming note, anthony scaramucci will be jake tapper's guest tomorrow on "state of the union." that's at 9:00 a.m. eastern. >>> coming up a republican in the hot seat in his home state. why senator jeff flake may be in danger of losing his job. later, a cnn exclusive. with we go on a -- we go on a rescue mission in the sahara desert where migrants are left to do. how a major u.s. drone nearby can affect their plight. you're live in the "cnn newsroom." here's to the heroes -- america's small business owners. and here's to the heroes behind the heroes, who use their expertise to keep those businesses covered. and here's to the heroes behind the heroes behind the heroes, who brought us delicious gyros. actually, the gyro hero owns vero's gyros, so he should have been with those first heroes. ha ha! that's better. so, to recap -- small business owners are heroes, and our heroes help heroes be heroes wh

or members of your family. and so unless ivanka disclosed jared's russian meeting while jared didn't disclose his russian meetings, ivanka may be in a pickle and potentially be open to prosecution on these matters. and if that really is just personality wise and in terms of his values and in terms of what emotionally gets him, in that really is the kind of thing that would send the president into panic mode, that may be part of this as well. well now tonight "the wall street journal" was the first to report they have had to refile and amend their financial filings because they left millions of dollars in dozens of assets off of their initial filings. two days ago on this show we spoke with walter shab who resigned in frustration. walter shab warned us two nights ago that the president might try to do an in-run around his office, around the person from that office who is next in line under walter shab and who would be expected to take a lead ethics job in an acting capacity of walter shap left. he warned us two weeks ago instead of installing the person next in line that ought to have the job, he warned us that th

or actively misleading. and the fact is they don't speak for the president, he makes up his own mind, jared and ivanka were behind it, and the president was fed up with the communications team. venting about it for weeks and weeks and weeks. >> anthony scaramucci met with the president and ivanka for an hour or hour and a half yesterday. he has been interviewing for the job for a year. >> on that note, there is always the fighting in the white house, who is up, who is down. ultimately anthony scaramucci is somebody that they believe is going to come out and act like they did in the campaign which is unfailingly fight for donald trump. not get lost in the weeds of the rules of the presidency. i was told by someone that this is a real win for the "originals." >> the originals. so one could say wow, he is a globalist, a new yorker, anthony scaramucci is a skillful salesman. when you have surrogates that were clumsy, he is crafty. what separates himself is that he is a goldman new york guy. you can look to a wilbur ross, you have it right, he is an original. they are willing to september and honor that the trump fami

ivanka trump's case, that includes jared kushner and don trump jr. we know that trump jr. and kushner attended a meeting, they did not previously disclose that and democrats have been calling for review or revocation of jared kushner's clearance based on his numerous updates to that form. let me read you a part of this letter that house democrats wrote to andrew mccabe. it says we are concerned that ivanka trump may have engaged in similar deception and it goes on to say the high standard to which we hold public servants, particularly senior advisers to the president of the united states requires that these questions be raised and promptly answered. so as i said, this is democrats turning up the heat now. they turned up the heat on jared kushner and now on ivanka trump as well. the white house so far and attorneys for trump and kushner have not responded. >> thank you very much for. now to michael zeldin. you have to answertor yo for yo spouse and you have to get it right on the forms. >> correct as to both. you need to answer for yourself and your spouse. it's a lengthy form. this question 20b, which is talking about foreign business relationships and then question 19 which talks about

because obviously he's not involved in the way that ivanka is or jared kushner is there is a level of sort of royal family intrigue with this presidency that we have not had with other presidencies. we have not had all the children so deeply involved in the politics and business. >> we never had coverage like this of any other president. how would feel if you were a trump? >> you have to go back to the kennedys before you find a family that was this involved. >> michelle obama hated some of this stuff that went on. >> it's true >> being the child of a president is difficult it's hard to be in the fish bowl but this fish bowl, it just has been a worse fish bowl to be in. you've seen it you watch. all right. i wouldn't want to be involved are you miserable, eamon are you good you all right? >> i'm good. i'll tell you what, it's a little hot out there on the north lawn these days. >> all right >> other than that, i'm good >> you're hot. you're hot >> thanks. >> i have a suggestion for you -- >> hit the jim >> seersucker. >> there you go it's big in washington this is an old southern town

and so -- >> jared kushner can rall talk to him or ivanka. >> but you do some reporting on this and youll him the truth. but you two know trump so well, i'm not sure he wants to hear the truth in any cases, so you've got to break through that barrier, that curtain. >> just to be clear, he will listen and then it won't hold and the perfect example of this. >> in short spurts. >> with what happened with the lawyers. who said, stay away, have nothing to do with this. you're in serious, serious trouble. while the lawyers were on the ground and donald trump's flying back from europe, he calls everybody together and they put together a statement which lies and is revealed as a lie the next day about the meeting between don jr., jared kushner, manafort and a russian lawyer who said i'm representing the russian government. >> that's the curtain of demps, somebody needed to say to him in an emphatic way, stay out of this. this is not your job. and it's not. and look, let's face it, on a range of economic domestic issues foreign affairs issues, trump has a series of decisions in the coming months

the white house staff have either formal or informal reporting lines that enable them to go around the chief of staff? whether it's mr. scaramucci, ivanka, jared. >> yeah, i mean, that's the question, isn't it this is analogous to a ceo and a strong c.o.o. position and those can be the greatest relationships or they can be dysfunctional depending on whether the ceo stands behind his c.o.o. and truly empowers them but this has been an open door president and he intends to be that way so there's still that room for coming around general kelly in this situation but general kelly comes at this from a very disciplined perspective. he's used to a lot of rules and regulations. he's used to people following orders he's used to discipline. and people hope he brings that to the white house, but he's not a politico and that is the flip side of it. so this is a very political organization and it's dynamic you've got a lot of things coming at him. the question is not whether he is able to manage the situation but whether in this situation that is highly political and with a ceo or a president in this case that allows people to come around whether in fact t

. >> in your head or on your person, i want to hear you out on security clearances, people like jared kushner, people like ivankapeople we know to be under investigation and people whose stories about the past have migrated. is there a danger to you? >> i think this is way beyond security clearance. having said that, if an assistant secretary of defense was in contact and on the face of it colluding with a hostile power of the united states, they would be out in the street that day so it's not security clearance so much. it's an indication that we're having difficulty trusting white house officials. >> we appreciate being able to call on you. thank you. >>> our last break coming up. it was just one meeting. there were many others. it was just one e-mail chain, for that matter. there are many others but it was a show stopper in the russian story. we'll look at how it played out this week in slow motion. ♪ [vo] progress is seizing the moment. your summer moment awaits you now that the summer of audi sales event is here. audi will cover your first month's lease payment on select models during the summer of audi sal

everybody is saying, but ultimately it's maybe about jared and ivanka and can he work with -- i'm not clear, i'm not sure that anyone can maintain orontain this president in a way that would make a white house work effectively and ferntel. >> that is a great word to end on, haired ford jr. >> thank you to at home for sticking with us as we got that news, that breaking news coming into my ear just a few minutes ago and we stopped everything we were doing and we tried to figure it on out on the air. hope we didn't put you off and i hope you stick around and come back tomorrow. i will be back again tomorrow. right after this break -- in fact, i'm going to stay on set a little bit longer. right after this break i'm going to hand it over to my good friend ali velshi to take over the news. another person out, thoen scaramucci not the communications director any more. just ten days. stay with us. liberty mutual se when i was too busy with the kids to get a repair estimate. i just snapped a photo and got an estimate in 24 hours. my insurance company definitely doesn't have that... you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™ li