as long as -- jarrold is absolutely right on this. as long as he cuts spending. the number -- when we have profitable companies, which we do today. you think of amazon and apple, and i'm not trying to pick on tech companies. but the boom in productivity that we're seeing because of new technology when we redistribute that wealth, we suck it away. and those profits can't be reinvested back in. they're reinvested in what the government wants to do. and if that's what he means by a rigged system, i am completely with him. the government is three times bigger than it should be today. back in the 1950s and '60s, everybody says that was the heyday of the middle class. well, guess what? nondefense core government spending was only 6% of gdp. today it's 17% of gdp. charles: right? >> that's what's killing us. and then finally let me just make a quick comment on the trade issue. it's not nafta and tpp that are hurting manufacturing in the u.s. it's our tax rates and our regulation. i'm for seduction. i want to seduce companies when they come here, not make them go somewhe