investigators were eagle story talk to her husband jason, but would jason talk to them?keith morrison. >> reporter: the facts were stark and ugly. one night in november, 2006, while her husband was away on business, michelle young was attacked in her own bedroom and brutally beaten to death. her body discovered the next day by her sister meredith along with her 2 1/2-year-old daughter cassidy, who had been left to wander in her blood. for the investigators who set out to find her killer, no way to get those little footprints out of their minds. sergeant richard spivey, lead investigator. >> those of us that work in law enforcement, this is our profession, but we're also parents. that certainly strikes a different note with you when you see something like that. >> michelle's husband jason, a medical software salesman, was 170 miles away the night of the murder. even so, investigators had to look at him. >> we know he was the last person to talk to michelle that night. and he was also the reason why she was found. he called meredith fisher to go to the house. >> reporter:

they accused jason of murder. >> jason young brutally murdered michelle young. >> the defendant brutallyelle marie fisher young. >> way out of bounds, said the attorney. the jury should not have been allowed to hear about any of that. outside the court, michelle's sister meredith predicted the appeal would be thrown out. >> the jury came to the right verdict. we are confident it will stay. >> but she was wrong. >> a raleigh man is getting a third trial in the death of his pregnant wife. >> in april, 2014, the judges yet another attempt by jason young to get a third trial, this time on grounds his defense team was ineffective was also denied. cassidy has grown. her father, her mother, snatches of memory ever farther away. >> that's all for this edition of dateline extra. i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. >>> msnbc takes you behind the walls of america's most notorious prisons. into a world of chaos and danger. now the scenes you've never seen. "lockup: raw." >> three unforgettable inmates. each one about to cross the threshold to freedom. >> look back, you come back. this time i'm

. >> guilty, jason didn't flinch.chelle young's bereaved mother and sister wept. fiona at home got the news from a friend. >> he's guilty. i was like, what? >> jason young received a life sentence, chose not to address the court, even as the bailiffs led him away, he remained expressionless. prosecutors were relieved. >> i was very emotional, have family members there who you've been working with for 5 1/2 years. they finally have justice. >> we've been telling him for years, just trust, just trust that it will be the right result. >> but was it? a year and a half ticked by, and then this. >> attorneys for jason young demanding a new trial saying the trial that led to his conviction had significant errors. >> december 2013. jason young's new attorney launched his appeal. >> who is the killer? is jason young the person responsible for miss young's death? >> and it will seems fundamentally unfair? >> what was fundamentally unfair? during the trial, the prosecution introduced testimony about those civil cases against jas

jason: and i am jason kelly. join us every day on the radio.ou can also find us online at businessweek.com and on our mobile app. jason: when you look ahead at 2019's big global issues, some of them can best be understood by looking at some local examples. carol: exactly. lack of access to clean drinking water is a problem we see around the world. most notably, the emerging world. that is not always the case. flint, michigan, dealing with the aftermath of its water crisis. leading the way is karen weaver. should took office as mayor of flint and does not mince words. karen: what happened in flint was criminal. when you have kids poisoned, and actually a whole community, but we know that kids under the age of six and pregnant mothers will be impacted for the rest of their lives. when you have people who have died as a result of legionnaires, they are looking now at the high cases of miscarriages and stillbirths that took place during that time. one of the things they are looking at now are some of the numbers of deaths attributed to pneumonia. a

jason: and i'm jason kelly.ten to us on the radio in new york, boston, 90 91 fm in washington, d.c. carol: and in london on dab digital and also on the bloomberg business app. it pursuits this week, a new book that will give you insights into the seedy side of global business. it's called >> -- jason: it's called kick, and we were given a review. >> there is an argument for bribery, and the argument is it is pro-business, it helps businesses in many countries keep and grow their own businesses by greasing whatever channel they need in a place where there is not necessarily pre-articulated bureaucracy. that is the justification that a lot of companies use, and a lot of companies have paid tremendous the large settlements -- tremendously large settlements for rides along these lines and reasons for that. jason: and through the course of reviewing this book, you are not talking about people who have never heard of the shadowy underworld, these are brand-name companies who have fairly openly in some cases used bribe

jason? >> jason: rich, thank you. rudy giuliani is accusing robert mueller of destroying evidence after a watch dog found that phones with text messages between peter strock and lesa page were erased. thank you both for joining us. david, mclatchy is insisting on this report, this new report out today, that there were pings on cohen's phone in the czech republic. and yet the attorney for michael cohen has insisted no. michael cohen has tweeted out, no, that wasn't the case. can anything at this point be believed by michael cohen? >> that's the problem. there's just no credibility there. michael cohen's motivation would be, if he were in prague, to say that he was in prague and colluding and try to bury the president. he's made it clear what his agenda is. the fact that he's still saying that he wasn't in prague and lanny davis is swearing that his client told him that he wasn't in prague is significant. frankly, by this point, lanny davis own statements would be an admission by cohen. they're attributable to him. if m

jason? >> jason: mike, thank you very much.monday, radio legend rush limbaugh urged president trump to hold firm on his border wall promises. take a look at this. >> the democrats have no incentive, really, to solve this until they take control of the house of representatives on i think january 3rd. but i want the president to hold firm on this. this shutdown is one that the democrats own. this would be very easy to resolve. and they don't want to do it. they don't want to do it -- even if you lookk at the media, "the washington post" today, cnn, folks, they have trump gone in three months. they believe that in three months, they will have fractured trump's base,, i.e., you. >> jason: so what are the ramifications of this political showdown? joiningg us now is rnc chairwomn ronna mcdaniel and fox news political analyst gianno caldwell. thank you both foror joining us here. ronna, i want to start with you because the messaging from the democrats has been aboutth abolishing i.c.e., about open borders, about supporting sanctuary c

jason: and i am jason kelly. we're here at bloomberg's global headquarters in new york. carol: this week, we zero in on the future with conversations from bloomberg's annual year ahead summit. jason: some of the world's most respected figures in business and politics spoke at this invitation-only event. carol: we heard from ceo's from duke energy and others. also, karen weaver of flint, michigan about the aftermath of the city water crisis. jason: plus, doris kearns goodwin on presidential leadership in years past and what that might tell us about what is ahead. co-ceo jim coulter made a dynamic presentation on dynamic investment opportunities he sees in 2019. it is a fast run through the biggest themes, something he recently presented privately to tpg's own investors. carol: and of course we are talking about things like cannabis and the power of influencers. jason: kardashians. carol: also, big data. >> we have been talking about big data for a while. but it has gone from hype to reality. and to be clear, it is big. it is extraordinary. it is hard to figure out. so let

jason: she even renamed the company.arol: still ahead, the pac that led a record number of women to office in 2018. ja andson: the energy industry that -- is grappling with the threat of climate change. one ceo speaks frankly about the strategy of her company. carol: this is "bloomberg businessweek." ♪ jason: welcome back to "bloomberg businessweek." carol: you can also listen to us on the radio on sirius xm and in new york, boston, washington dc -- >> in the bay area and in london on dab digital and on the bloomberg business app. our focus this week's on looking around the corner with insights from the annual bloomberg year ahead summit. >> duke energy's lynn good spoke with joel weber. the conversation very quickly turned to climate change. lynn: the issue really starts with the united nations report a few weeks ago. we have been focused on carbon reduction for over a decade. climate change is an issue that is going to be important to our customers and communities and investors. the important thing to recognize -- we a

jason: i am jason kelly.carol and me for "bloomberg businessweek" everyday on the radio from 2:00 to 5:00 p.m. wall street time. catch up on our daily show by catching up on our podcast. get that at itunes, soundcloud, and bloomberg.com. carol: and you can find us online at businessweek.com, and on our mobile app. jason: the u.s.-china trade dispute maybe cooling, at least a little bit. the two sides talked this week amid reports that china may be willing to lower tariffs on u.s. cars. carol: that happening as president trump suggested he would intervene in the case against huawei's chief financial officer if he thought it would impact trade talks with beijing. jason: shawn donnan, our go-to guy on trade, we caught up with him in washington for the one thing that seems to be certain in these trade talks. it is uncertainty. shawn: i think when we talk about the trade wars, we talk about tariffs, these tit-for-tat tariffs that we have seen that become this dramatic feature of 2018. but in the background, there

this is bloomberg. ♪ jason: this is "balance of power ." i am jason kelly.go now to mark crumpton. mark: president trump is trying to distance himself from his former personal attorney on twitter today. the place responsibility for any crimes stemming from hush money paid to women during the 2016 en.paign on michael coh cohen pleaded guilty to breaking campaign finance laws and other crimes. he is due to be sentenced on wednesday. the president is looking for a successor for chief of staff john kelly. he's leaving by the end of the year and is believed to have been the president's first choice to succeed kelly, nick ayers, turned him down. union is slapping sanctions on nine more people over what it says were illegal elections in the eastern ukraine last month. severance raised the total number of people sanctioned to 164. this comes as the eu ways had a help of lexi standoff with russia. onsian border guards fired three ukrainian naval vessels in the black sea last month. the vessels and the crews were captured. turkey says it is disappointed by saudi arabi

jason: and i'm jason kelly. join us every day on the radio.arol: you can also find us on businessweek.com and our mobile app. consumers and food brands are continuing a wave of consolidation. no one knows that better than our next companies. jason: the president and ceo of ahold in the chairman and ceo of mandalay international tell us where they see growth in the year ahead. >> i think that if you look at momenttors, in this where the growth is coming from, it is about certain segments to be in. not everything needs to be the same in food. if you are at the center of the store and largely north american focused, that is probably not a good place to be. snacking, and 75% of our business is outside of north america, you have a better brand in place. if you focus on the segments that you really want to be in, and those are good growing segment, you will do well. if you are a little all over the place, that is probably a difficult place to be in. i am not sure that consolidation is the way to go from a growth thatective, and i believe we are fine

jason: this is "bloomberg businessweek." ♪ ♪ jason: welcome back.u can listen to us on the radio on sirius xm, in new york, boston, washington dc -- >> in the bay area, and on the bloomberg business app. now, our look at the bloomberg 50. people in business, entertainment, finance, politics, science and technology with accomplishments particularly noteworthy. carol: the features editor. >> these people really made the biggest impact. they are not always heard of. that is what we go for. jason: you point that out. jason: you don't just have jay powell. you have the cohorts. the fed nucleus. >> there is more than one person making these decisions. there is a brain trust. we wanted to understand the decision-making behind these complex processes. look at them holistically. instead of trying to be more open and explain decision-making. jason: this has brian roberts of comcast as well as the ceo of patagonia. you are not going to find those on a lot of lists. >> they are interesting in their own ways. they are activist. defenders of the environment. they

jason: know your customer.etty easy to do with these machines, and thus, it has become pretty popular. why? matt: the interesting thing is that, it is more transparent. it is still the currency of choice in the criminal underworld. you can transact pretty quickly. also, you know it's there. tell us what you see? you went to a bodega uptown. you just go around. for doing the story, i walked by a bunch. they are actual atm machines but with different software. from there, you just talk to folks, often times, a store owner. they will get presented like, hey, can i put this machine. store owner says fine. that is kind of it. to buy aople use it coke, a couple twinkies, their other way to -- they are on their way. carol: these about another big player. matt: the biggest is in new york and is actually only 5% of the whole market. you the biggest is quite small. we highlighted another company in los angeles that advertises they do not take information. carol: so they are saying, hey folks, we are not abiding by the la

jason? >> jason: jonathan, thank you.me now is dan bongino, a former secret service secret sd regarding rms, a foreign national and security policy analyst. i've been to guantanamo bay, and i've seen it. i was little concerned about what the admiral said when he said he needed to make sure everyone is comfortable. i don't think that's the number one issue, but these are not prisoners, they are detainees. what is wrong with guantanamo bay? i fought against barack obama and his insistence that we closed it. i'm glad it's open. but what say you? >> so here is what is happening. you have a facility in cuba that housed a number of battleground detainees brought in mainly from afghanistan. these are guys that we picked up on the ground after 9/11. the last detainees came here in 2008. now as you heard in the report, it's now turning into a nursing home. the facility is a mess. there is no room for wheelchairs and so on and so forth. so the question is this. we can either sit here and complain and complain, or our commander-in-c

i am jason kelly.e turn to first word news. >> the white house has been saying there will be an announcement about president trump's new chief of staff, the president saying he is continued -- considering five candidates. recall christie -- chris christie endorsing the president, after his own -- candidacy failed. michaelident ordered -- cohen told abc news that trump was concerned about how payments would affect his election and he said no one should believe the president's denials. >> the people of the world do not believe what he is saying. the man does not tell the truth. and it is sad that i should take responsibility for his dirty deeds. house isite responding, blasting the media for taking michael cohen toiously and giving credence a convicted criminal. emmanuel macron is saying authorities are working to clarify how i suspect in the salzburg christmas markle -- market attack was not cot. he was on a terrorist watch list before he allegedly killed four people and wounded others. please tried and

jason: and i'm jason kelly. we are here at bloomberg global headquarters in new york. carol: coming up, we zero in on conversations from bloomberg's annual the year -- ahead summit. jason: some of the world's most respected figures in business and politics spoke at this invitation-only event right here at bloomberg. we heard from iac's joey lever and also karen weaver in the aftermath of the water crisis. jason: plus, historian doris kearns goodwin on presidential leadership in the past and what it might tell us about what is ahead. carol: and of course, we have to talk about the year ahead when it comes to investors. that was an essential topic and where we start this week. jason: tgp group's co-ceo made a presentation on investment opportunities he sees in 2019. it is a dynamic run through, something he recently presented privately to tpg's own investors. >> we have been talking about big data for a while. but this has gone from hype to reality. this is big, this is extraordinary. but it is hard to figure out.

>> i'm jason kelly in for jason weston. alance of power, world of pol tickss meets world of business. we begin with the latest in the showdown. day seven of the partial government shutdown is underway. management and budget director and incoming hief of staff, acting chief of staff mick mulvaney not a lot of resolution.quick >> hasn't opened all week. new year's shutdown [indiscernibl [indiscernible[i] >> welcome anna, she joins us live from our washington bureau. anna, great to see you. nation's ay in the capital. that there. what is the latest? >> not a lot of optimism there will be a quick solution to the shutdown. most people are more pessimistic this week than last week when began.utdown we heard from chuck schumer, leader yesterday further apart than previously and it doesn't look like there quick solution to get federal agencies back up and running. anna edgerton. jason: you are talking to many n the phone, what is likely area of compromise if there is one? toit really just coming down this wall funding? this border

jason: thank you. up, that conversation i mentioned with former director of the national economic also, larry lindsey. he's got a message for chair powell on the balance sheet. this is bloomberg. ♪ jason: this is balance of power on bloomberg television. happening.what is president trump trading today that most federal employees who are not receiving paychecks are democrats. two days ago, that president supports same group the funding for a border wall. the president is not backing off the demand for $5 billion to build that wall. u.k. police are worried about law enforcement transition to a post-brexit world. great britain's departure from the eu will be costly and could threaten public safety, especially if there is no deal -- if there is no deal. officials telling bloomberg that the islands utility will make its generate first payment without using reserve funds. 80's $80 to data, million of interest at the start of 2019. global news 24 hours a day, on air and on tictoc on twitter, powered by more t

jason: this is "bloomberg businessweek." jason: welcome back.nol: you can listen to us the radio on sirius xm, in new york, boston, washington dc -- , and on they area bloomberg business app. our look at the bloomberg 50. the 2018, -- accomplishments particularly noteworthy. >> these people really made the biggest impact. they are not always heard of. ason: you don't just have jay powell. you have the cohorts. more than one person making these decisions. .here is a brain trust we wanted to understand the decision-making behind these complex processes. instead of going out -- that was one of the things we wanted to do instead of explaining their decision-making. we have the ceo of patagonia. they are defenders of the environment. her take is, younger consumers expect this. if you want to have millennial loyalty, you cannot just sit back. people go to stores just for the activism. it has not hurt business. she said they have had their best year. roberts is probably one of the most influential in terms of content distribution. an amazing year for h

jason: thank you.s into colorado. it is a $1.5 billion industry. claiming that they are stretched because of increasing competition from canada. joining us from denver is the democratic governor from colorado, thank you for joining us. you havebis economy, had a front-row seat and that is being legalized more and more across the country but not on a federal level. what have you learned from seeing it up close? if you believe that states are laboratories for democracy, we really have had a front-row seat in that laboratory. theainly some bumps along road, but for a large extent, our worst fears have not been realized. we did not see a giant increase of people driving while high. a black market, but the experiment has gone surprisingly well. jason: you are skeptic. sure even though you come from another elements of consumption as it were, the beer industry, you were not quite sure that this had the social good that maybe others thought. gov. hickenlooper: i knew it would have an economic good. there are

jason chaffetz in for sean right now. ♪ >> jason: welcome to this special edition of "hannity," trumpersus the establishment. i'm jason chaffetz in tonight for sean. lots of breaking news tonight, president trump naming mick mulvaney as his new chief of staff and special counsel robert mueller stain release documents in the michael flynn case. joining is now is kristin fishe kristin fisher. >> what you are just referencing, the fact that president trump has named an interim replacement for his outgoing chief of staff. mick mulvaney the current budget director will become the active chief of staff when kelly departs at the end of the year. he's going to have to deal with democrats taking control of the house and the ongoing special counsel investigation. robert mueller pushed back hard in an interview with the president's former national security advisor michael flynn. a judge had ordered a special counsel to respond to the charge by this afternoon and it did forcefully. a michael flynn as a seasoned military officer who dealt regularly with the bureau knew he should not lie to federal

my cohost is jason kelly. jason, a lot going on. it is the friday before new year's but still a busy day. jason: the markets are a little bit calm her, but anything -- this is where we saw a 1000 plus point move in the dow,. carroll: and we will dig into the trade because it has been a volatile and talk about corporate news, because we have a lot going on. we will talk tesla and general electric, and also talk about marijuana and meditation. jason: and wrap it up with a drink. carol: that's for sure. we will also talk a little bit about the yankees. they are not up for sale but we are talking about a possible deal. we will see what happens. jason: including a possible deal with amazon, and that would really start to reshape the whole media landscape as it relates to sports. we know from looking at teams and their values, the media piece is crucial to how people are valuing this. jason: and speak -- carol: speaking of crucial we will not forget about washington. but first, let's get a bloomberg business newsflash. here is what is hap

jason: and you are up-to-date. i'm jason kelly alongside carol massar here on this edition of "bloomberg businessweek." carol, just trying to catch up on all the headlines today as we come in. we were just here on friday, but a lot of movement over the weekend, including a lack of movement on the government shutdown. the expectations seem to be to wait for the new congress and the new year. i keep forgetting that we started the new year with a partial government shutdown, i believe. this year. isn't that correct? wasn't our guests talking about it? i have forgotten. the beginning of 2018 seems like a very long time ago. carol: exactly, exactly. talking about the government shutdown and looking at the market metrics, $5.2 trillion was wiped out. the dollar is setting up to gain the most in three years with oil having its biggest the kleins. there are a lot of market superlatives when it comes to describing the market action. talking about superlatives, we have some folks who fit that bill. .lena and vince vince has

jason: i am jason kelly.n,ere is what is going homeland security secretary trying to travel to the u.s. border with mexico to review their care of migrants children after a guatemalan boy died in the custody of u.s. customs and border patrol with his father. the eight-year-old becomes the second migrant child to die in the custody of the agency this month and homeland security officials say it has been more than decade since a child has died in border patrol custody. businessthe first full day of the partial government shutdown and workers have been spared largely inconvenienced because government is normally closed on weekends and federal employees were excused from work on christmas eve and christmas day. partsent trump says the of the government not closed will stay that way until the democrats agree to wall the u.s.-mexico border. iran holding talks with the iran wants to-- assert a role in the country's future as the united states ways cutting back its involvement in withdrawing troops. sudan, death toll

jason: it is so interesting.l like we talk about this vis-a-vis content, people are anding it feels like more more to actually pay for quality service, to pay for quality results. carol: outperformance. or even performance. outperform oran to rachel evans, one of the most read writers we have here is bloomberg. a must watch, a must follow come on twitter. a lot more ahead on this edition of "bloomberg businessweek." this is bloomberg. ♪ uma: i'm uma pemmaraju with your bloomberg business flash. here is what is happening. it has been a rough year for black rock shareholders. it is down 26% with investors cashing out or staying on the sidelines. even with a decline, blackrock is better off than many of its competitors. a gauge of fund companies and custody banks tumbling 29% in 2018 with stock market volatility at its highest level in three years. tighteningws, india rules for an e-commerce company care the company's trade ministry saying online retailers must treat all vendors equally by providing the same terms.

i'm jason in tonight for sean. yesterday president trump made a surprise visit to the air base in iraq where he visited the brave men and women serving abroad during christmas. meanwhile, the mainstream media trashed the president over his visit with our troops. watch this. >> in retrospect, and i give him credit for going to iraq, but his performance there was shameful. >> the president seems to have confused in some way this troop visit with a campaign rally. >> this is really a political rally in front of troops in iraq. >> they treat the troops like props. >> the united states congress and the people of the united states who are supporting our armed forces, they don't belong to him. >> he's like the grinch. i'm being honest. >> he stole christmas. >> it was so negative. you want positivity when it comes to christmas. why would he visit the troops and do that? >> the all-too-predictable attacks continued on cnn, where pundits actually criticized trump for autographs. take a look. >> the reporters traveling said

jason: mr.mp telling reporters that many people want that job, but also at the same time saying shanahan could be in the job for a long time. we have another acting member of the administration, mick mulvaney, as the acting chief of staff. the president not shy about that. also, we have an acting attorney general at the moment, even though he has named a new person to that job. carol: all of the news on this wednesday putting a different tone to the financial markets. we have stopped pretty much at their highest of the day. one of the things we talked about a lot in 2018 was esg investing. it came up in many of our investment interviews. jason: there seems to be a marked shift between esg as we have thought about it to impact investing and the people at bloomberg who watches this is an esg analyst. great to be with you. thanks for joining us. as we go to 2019, etf's are a is coming to the floor. tell us how. >> what is interesting is increased pressure and competition are set to confront esg. th

jason: right.interesting because this story really reminds us about the business models that exist. fedex and ups are taking different approaches. remind us how those companies work and what may amazon may do going forward? spencer: well, amazon and fedex go more of this asset-light model. amazon does not want to hire the people directly or buy the vans. so instead it is relying on this network of entrepreneurs. keep them kind of small so it has price negotiating power over them, and let them do the dirty work of recruiting, hiring and retaining, which can be costly, and also maintaining the fleet of vehicles and buying the vehicles. the alternative would be a ups, like ups, which employs all of its drivers, and buys the vans, owns the fleet and maintains it , takes those costs on itself. and a big differentiation we are seeing is how much drivers earn. so ups has many union drivers that could earn $40 an hour, not including overtime, whereas the postal service median makes makes abouter $57,000-$5

jason: you are committed.are committed, and it is one of those places where you feel like you are in the middle of nowhere, which you are. carol: which i love. chris: surrounded by a marine reserve. you can see gigantic seahorses. you can see manta rays wrap their fins around a volkswagen beetle. part of the reason they do that is because they protected the ecosystem by investing so much. it's a cool place to go. carol: i've gone on trips to costa rica, and you plant a tree when you're done, but this is taking it to a higher level, the kind of trips in terms of their impact on the environment. chris: yeah, so around there, the biomass increased 60%. they are making a big difference. it's mostly ecological stuff, but in some places, it is workplace training. these resorts are training people in the hospitality industry so they have jobs. it helps the resort because it's staff for them, but it gives people lasting jobs they can teach and take elsewhere. jason: a little closer to home in new york, churchill wild

jason: it's good. thing we have not talked about, maybe on and off but not in a meaningful way, is oil. as i have watched some of the shows, i feel like tina davis has been on tv for every five minutes talking about trade. down another 1.8% today, if i read that correctly. what you make of that? joe: that is pretty striking. yesterday, we had a massive rally in oil. there is that vibe of buying everything. interesting that oil could not get back into the green today. there is obviously series demand concerns around the world. at some point, when oil started tumbling this year, it started with the positive reasons, for the good reasons because of supply, no waivers with iran, and in the bad reasons about demand. we are still looking at oil this week and unable to rally, it's like, look, the global economy is really important. chinese industrial profits are falling for a year-over-year basis. this will be a huge stamen 2019. carol: maybe we can throw up a viewers. our we've seeing quite a slide. a some o

jason chaffetz? >> jason: you can't simultaneously claim they want to maximize transparency and say "get out of the room, we don't want to talk anymore." i don't buy that, and i don't buy the democrat's money to secure the border. they wanted to shut down ice, they were encouraging of the caravan. it's absolutely 100% true. >> marie: the democratic caucus -- >> jason: it's you are the oneo entered scripted me >> marie: i'm going to interrupt you. the democrats do not support shutting down ice. individual members talk about it, but the caucus did not. >> jason: you don't hear any republicans talk about it. >> marie: they are not supporting the cat down my caravan. that has been repeatedly debunked on my predon't repeat it for our viewers, please. >> jason: i horribly believe, in my heart -- >> marie: you might feel it, but there's no evidence. no evidence, no evidence. none. >> jason: it's not true. we disagree on that one. >> harris: lisa? >> lisa: melissa, did you want to get in? >> melissa: i think

join jason and me for bloomberg businessweek every day on the radio.ou can also catch up on our on itunes and on bloomberg.com. special focuses on good business. that -- about a business that claims to be doing good to promote a better world. but sometimes as such businesses are cracked up to be. crackedot what they are up to be. fund had put exxon mobil as its largest holding. it has a few issues on the environment and governance. phillip morris is often in their. for investors, is this what they expect to be buying? wouldn't -- carol: you wouldn't normally think about these companies when it comes to esd investing. -- esg investing. rachel: this is good for people to be thinking about it and about what actually constitutes esg. when you talk to the index providers, some are more dialed up then dialed down. >> that is how so many people are investing in the market right now. investors trust their providers to pick the right stocks. they think this is an esd friendly investment. where thehis happen, blackrock's end up with these baskets of stocks that

they have been doing this for decades. >> jason: both parties.. >> juan: the second thing is he ignored the advice coming from the defense department. >> dana: so did obama. >> juan: no. >> dana: he did. >> juan: fine. i don't know what what about-ism has to do with it. here's the thing, i think, at least i think you're right on it. this is nonstate actors. these are terrorists. it's not about a parade at the end of the day where everyone is marching to a confetti parade. you are destabilizing the middle east by allowing syrian forces, bashar al-assad's forces to gain strength under the support of iran and russia. they do not have our interests at heart. >> dana: we don't have time for the answer. >> juan: if you have terrorists fomenting there in the middle east, guess where they show up? at our doorstep. >> greg: i wouldn't mind letting the russians kill some terrorists. if they are not that good at it, we will come back. >> juan: what if they support them, greg? >> greg: they have their own issues with radical islam. >> dana: big interviews co