to podcasts, and one of them i love is conan o'brien's podcast, and the smartless podcast with jason bateman, comics of a certain generation, both on "saturday night live" as performers or writers, will arnett performing, and they have a lot of snl alums, and when you hear the alums tell stories, it's delightful, if you care about comedy, and consider yourself a student of that kind of television, and one thing that comes through is there are some people who are on the show who have kind of universal respect, love, people who appreciate their gifts sometimes to a greater degree than their level of public fame. norm macdonald is one of those people. he was a guy who really kind of was part of the transformation of weekend update from the chevy chase, the slapstick version of weekend update to where it is now, the seat of political commentary on the show. and norm macdonald was key to that transformation, and someone put in the pantheon of the handful of greatest cast members of snl, and that says a lot. a guy who, you know, carries out of the snl world. if you ask david letterman who some of