what did that jason blair story do for "the times"? how did that change? >> it was a scalding experience for "the times." we absolutely put in some new safeguards, actually aimed at making sure our journalists know the standards backwards and forwards and have the right kind of training and supervision, and we now have a public editor, as you know. we did not have an ombudsman or anyone from the outside scrutinizing are journalists, -- our journalists -- our journalism and after the jason bellini -- jason blair episodes episode, we decided it was prudent to have one. we have several at this point. you know, it cost the two top editors at the newspaper their job. it was a very wrenching time. >> but as you said, as an executive editor, you cannot possibly know -- what every editor in the paper is due>> that is true, and it may in. seem, given jason blair and some other self-inflicted wounds at "the times," hard to appreciate the truth of what i was saying that in 1998, but i still believe that. most everyone i work with has the highest journalist standards,