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still with us congressman jason chaffetz, congressman keith ellison, eric ericsson. i'm holding up the letter you send to the president today. i want our viewers to take a look at the episode on-line that prompted this complaint. this is at the salt lake city airport, november 19th, the young man with his shirt off, going through security with his father, set off the metal detector. and, obviously, that in trying to resolve what the issue was this situation reached the point where the young man's father took his shirt off, essentially, to say have a look. you sent a letter to the president just saying to the fact that the act alone they had had to have a shirtless pat-down is an outrage. i want to read the tsa statement on the tsa blog says november 19th a family was traveling through a checkpoint in salt lake city international airport their son alarmed the walk through metal detector and needed to undergo secondary screening. the boy's father removed his shirt after tso completed the screening he helped the boy put the shirt on. the father was standing by his son t

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orrin hatch already has a very likely challenger, jason chaffetz, house member from his right. and i see you're going to see in orrin hatch was not going to talk about all that he accomplished with ted kennedy, and it's basically going to be the old fritz hollings and nobody going to get to my right this time around, and i think we are going to see that electromagnetic pulling some of them away from cooperation which makes it more difficult to figure out how you can make policy. >> to a question in the back and then if there is one over here, right over here we go to both questions and have the panel answer. james, if you could -- clark. >> court judge, white house riders' group. henry olsen mentioned provincial conservatism. there is going to be a big push to retial obamacare, and my question is would you recommend that and what form would you recommend it taking? second question would be this is a divided government now much like the u.k. and other countries. do you ascribe any importance to that? >> let's take this question here and then we can have anyone on the panel answe