representative jason crow was an excellent guest.ope "washington journal" will bring him back again. would you please play the clip from the manchin interview where he talks about how the two bills, the hard infrastructure and the human infrastructure, should never have been linked together. and how they could pass the hard infrastructure as a stand alone. and lastly, i hope that josh gottheimer, representative gottheimer, and the group that he is part of who were promised to look on the hard infrastructure bill will realize they have been double-crossed. i don't think nancy pelosi, steny hoyer, chuck schumer, i don't think they want these bills to pass. i think they don't want -- want them to fail so next year they can go around the country whining about how the neo-republicans didn't let them pass the infrastructure bill. thank you. host: roger -- excuse me, marching get in rogersville, tennessee. margaret. tennessee, go ahead. caller: i'm here. i'm here. host: go ahead. caller: ok. what i called about was they cry about the debt,

representative jason crow was an excellent guest. i hope "washington journal" will bring him back again. would you please play the clip from the manchin interview where he talks about how the two bills, the hard infrastructure and the human infrastructure, should never have been linked together. and how they could pass the hard infrastructure as a stand alone. and lastly, i hope that josh gottheimer, representative gottheimer, and the group that he is part of who were promised to look on the hard infrastructure bill will realize they have been double-crossed. i don't think nancy pelosi, steny hoyer, chuck schumer, i don't think they want these bills to pass. i think they don't want -- want them to fail so next year they can go around the country whining about how the neo-republicans didn't let them pass the infrastructure bill. thank you. host: roger -- excuse me, marching get in rogersville, tennessee. margaret. tennessee, go ahead. caller: i'm here. i'm here. host: go ahead. caller: ok. what i called about was they cry about the de

. >>> congressman jason crow. >> if they continue to disregard the subpoenas, i will highly encourage authorities to pursue criminal content. frankly, that's what would to any american. any american sitting at home right now, if you represent a subpoena, there are consequences for you. stkpw >> elie honig is back with us. >> any time a person defies a congressional subpoena, congress has three options. the first one is what we call inherent enforcement power. way back in the 1700s, 1800s, even 1900s, the sergeant at arms could go out and lock them up. that is a jail near the capitol building where people used to be locked up people who defied subpoenas. this is the current day william walker. he is there for security of the membership. i do not think it is at all likely we will see him going out handcuffing steve bannon, mark meadows. >> okay. so the slow route, they can go to the courts and try to enforce the subpoenas. what does that look like and does it render it in effective. >> this is the slow route. they can ask a judge, we want an order requiring these four people to testify.

. >> and this is actually congressman jason crow democrat of colorado from a swing district outside denvera similar thing. take a listen. >> they continue dois regard the subpoenas i'll highly encourage authorities to pursue criminal contempt. if you refuse a subpoena there are consequences for you. there darned well should be consequences for the president and his top enablers and cronies here. >> i have to say i think the biden administration would do this. >> it is very possible. i think that this is the real question facing the justice department as well as the select committee is what does accountability actually look like? the reason they are subpoenaing documents from these witnesses is because they want to get a clearer picture of people who are associates of trump, who are within the campaign, within the administration, and get a sense of what the engagement had been like with the organizers of the stop the steal rally that preceded the insurrection at the capitol. how much did the officials in the white house and the trump campaign who were close to the former president know abou

so joining me now, democratic congressman jason crow. there are a lot of developments. we remember the image of you in the chamber during the insurrection, the select committee hasn't been able to find dan. the deadline is looming. what kind of information are you hoping the committee gets from these trump allies? >> yeah, hi, thanks, don. thanks for having me on. the key take away for folks at home now here is if you think that the danger of donald trump and his key allies and cronies is gone, the danger not only to the safety and security of the american people but to our democracy at large, you're sorely mistaken. they clearly don't want to say what they know. they clearly are avoiding the process here and even more so than that, they continue to scoff. if we don't have rule of law in america, we have nothing. we certainly can't have a democracy. here we have an essence of president trump, a former president explicitly ordering his top advisors to not compile with a lawful legal subpoena. you know, that is not trouble folks, i don't know what will. >> congressman, ar

jason crowe, a prominent democratic member of the house says if they do not, congress should act andively. >> if they continue to disregard the speen arksds, i'm going to highly encourage the authorities to pursue criminal contempt. if you refuse a subpoena, there are consequences for you, so there darn well should be consequences for the president and his top enablers here. >> it appears that will be a question for the chairman and committee members, how aggressive are we prepared to be in terms of going to court or asking the justice department to go criminal? >> sounds like they are very committed to being very aggressive. i spoke to an aide about what could follow if they don't xlirks criminal referrals that would be sent to the house hand those would be worked through very quickly and down the line from there they could face jail time or fines. many members have reiterated saying there will be consequences if you don't follow through with the subpoenas. >> the fact that they went to subpoena, they didn't even s. they sent the paper. they didn't -- they skipped a step so there's

listen to what congressman jason crow, who's not a member of the committee, but is tuned into this conversation had to say about it. >> if they continue to disregard the subpoenas, i'm going to highly encourage the authorities to pursue criminal contempt. if you refuse a subpoena, there are consequences for you, so there darn well should be consequences for the president and his top enablers and cronies. >> reporter: now, a criminal contempt referral would not be easy, victor. it would take time. it would require a vote of the entire house of representatives and then a referral to the department of justice to execute, so that may not be the route they want to take immediately. the point being, though, is that the committee says that they are willing to do whatever it takes. we'll have to see over the next 24 to 48 hours exactly what that means. >> ryan, there's also a source that tells cnn that this committee interviewed richard donahue, who served as the acting deputy attorney general during the capitol attacks. what do we know about that, and who else might be interested in speaking with him?

jason addressed old jim crow convictions. if not, what's the hold on that we have not we, we've, we've developed the civil rights division with our office to go through all of them . we and we're still working through that process because it, it would be a, a compound at tragedy. for example, if we had pushed mister germain hudson into a plea deal to just get him out of jail for a crime, and he did not commit even worse for crime that never even occurred. so we are reviewing all of these cases, but we're reviewing them for wrongful conviction. and not just assuming that a parson was guilty, what to piggyback on what nick was saying. i am absolutely convinced me a glass half full glass, half empty. you have, i am very happy to have a glass and be very happy to be able to build off of the work that promise started . i'm convinced that this work will be catalytic. i think that once the human mind is stretched, it doesn't revert back to its original form or its own way of thinking. and i think we not, not just we, in this office,