bannon is the ultimate cockroach jason, this is a guy i watched from buddying up to rand paul, to cruz back in the day it was sarah palin. ultimately, it fell onto donald trump. and he is someone who has always been in search of that host, a parasite to attach himself onto in order to achieve more visibility, more fame, more money, more access, more power. in this dynamic that we are seeing right now, with this recent indictment, and i will say this partly because neal is on with us, i am a big billions fan, steve bannon thinks he is dollar billster. gets arrested by chuck rhodes, and he sets there across from him and he says i don't recognize your authority, i'm kaiser sosa. that's what bannon thinks of himself as in this situation. >> here's the thing, neal. this is interesting to me. when you see -- obviously, donald trump is not as nices as he acts. not as charming and charismatic. when you see steve bannon in av like that, cussing, r, insulting folks, anywhere that a person who is going to inspire loyalty. look there are people loyal to trump or trump's remaining power. but if the