joining us to continue the conversation is jason goldman, founding member of twitter and former whiteigital officer under president obama. always good perspective from you. jason, what are the latest developments that we haven't talked a lot about, revelations from twitter that elon musk was being investigated by federal authorities over his acquisition conduct, if you will. what you make of this? jason: it is difficult to say because we don't know which federal agency was investigating him. it is premature to think there is much fire. it could be as simple as twitter lawyers trying to get their hands on information elon shared with the ftc. it might just have been something they put in the filing to get information about that. so, without actually finding out what kind of investigation was involved, it is premature to say there's something super nutty going on. that said, you can't discount super nutty in this story. emily: what is your hunch? does a deal happen by october 28 and are there more surprises between now and then? james: i would never rule out more supplies is. i believe

joining us now to continue is jason goldman, one of the founding members of twitter and former whitehief digital officer under president obama. jason, you have been helping us make sense of this for the last several month -- last several months. how are you feeling? >> i do not know if we have arrived at a version of sense you can write down. we did arrive at at least a season finale of this chapter. the deal is done. now we get to see what elon is going to do. emily: we have heard predictions of the death of twitter. it is certainly the end of an era. how much do you think will change? >> for a long period of time, people have been predicting the death of twitter. i think it is unfair to say something is going to change today. there's many different versions of death on the web. myspace still exists, it just doesn't matter. it is going to take a long time, slower than people think for product changes to rollout on the platform. the problem is that mistakes can begin almost right away. whether that's content moderation, user safety or privacy. even if it is not a conscious change in

goldman sachs, appearing to unwind much of the restructuring announced in 2020. is this an admission that david got it wrong and what does it mean for the bank going forward? jasonuld not say that. as the company continues to evolve on a path more around revenues, it is continuing to take action along that path. so, they did restructure the company when david became ceo a few years ago. and i think having done a few acquisitions and reorienting the franchise, this is another step in the evolution. alix: i thought the evolution was supposed to be towards markets. if the results are going to be bad tomorrow in terms of why they needed a bit markets in a different spot -- jason: i do not know if i would say bad, as you people you learn how to do things differently -- evolve, you learn how to do things differently. i think there are ways to take their profit offering to be more like -- managed. if you look at combining investment banking with trading, or asset with wealth management, that is not different from what their peers have done. guy: should shareholders tolerate more losses in the effort to move towards the consumer? jason: you are building a business from