owner of southeastern records, and i got a check as jason isbell singer/songwriter. cause bid big companies screwing over little songwriters like me. >> rose: been happening since the beginning. >> yes, it has. it's also one of those things where you can't stop it. we're not going to be able to stop the changes in technology and the access people have to things. so we have to learn to work with it and around it. >> rose: you have to be on streaming. >> at my level, you have to. >> rose: what level is that? well,ivy not a big famous celebrity. >> rose: you're not taylor swift. >> i'm not taylor swift, no. she sells a lot of tickets and a lot of records and a lot of t-shirts. actually, our guy used to work for her and he has a lot more free tame at the table these days. >> rose: you say this is a risky sound. why? >> because it's not ironic. you know, i don't think it's very braves to be ironic when you're doing something like that because if i was saying i'm the nashville sound which clearly this is not, it doesn't take a lot of courage to do that. eaux hide behind th

ever happened in the entertainment business -- >> rose: and we continue with singer/songwriter jason isbell, his album, "the nashville sound." >> i started looking around and seeing everybody as conn