and for more on this, we're joined now by jason kemp of donia, who is the los angeles bureau chief for nbc news radio. jason, thanks for joining us. let me just ask you this. it's, it feels like binding really went on the attack in a way we haven't seen before. what did you make of a speech? i thought it was interesting that he came out swinging in the way he did. we saw a more animated jo bite and at times during his speech and a very soft spoken joe biden, at times. i think they are playing this extremely well. it being the 1st major speech of is of the election year with the election happening in several months. but trump seem to take it in stride. it's not anything new. he's used to playing down in the mud. he's used to being down and dirty in name, calling and things like that. joe biting called president trump for president of a loser today during his speech. and i thought that was out of character ram. so to see job, i didn't come out especially, you know, with his gloves up saying, hey, let's, let's get this on. i thought was interesting and to be honest with you, a selfish poi

of america. and earlier i spoke to jason kemp and donia with nbc and use radio and los angeles. they asked him what he made of joe biden's attack on donald trump. in his speech. i thought it was interesting that he came out swinging in the way he did. we saw a more animated joe biden at times during his speech and a very soft spoken joe biden, at times. i think they are playing this extremely well. it'd be me 1st, major speech of is of the election year with the election happening in several months. but a trump seem to take it in stride, it's not anything new. he's used to playing down in the mud. he's used to being down and dirty in name, calling and things like that. joe, biting called president trump for president trump, a loser today during his speech and i thought that was out of character ram. so does the job i didn't come out, especially, you know, with his gloves up saying hey let's, let's get this on. i thought was interesting and to be honest with you, a selfish point here is going to make for an incredible election year to cover. and you're saying that trump is used to