and on the phone with us from buffalo, jason mcguire executive director of new yorkers for constitutionals. he opposes same-sex marriage. good to have both of you. mr. mcguire, let me begin with you. the world is seeing gay and lesbian couples today marry. they're happy. there are tears of joy. why don't you support this? >> children do best raised by a mom and a dad and public policy ought to reflect that. there is something yunique thata mother and father contribute that same-sex relationships deny. >> but it is now legal. does that allow you or encourage you to embrace what is legally going to be exercised? >> no. i think that really what happened in new york was a pretty underhanded process that we will see light shed in the republican conference. that people have the opportunity to vote on the issues in new york, and then it never would have passed. >> would you be discouraging any churches from performing or recognizing marriages in the state of new york? >> well, the churches that i represent that i work with, they're the ones that have to make that decision. and they have made cle