chairman thompson saying they have seen messages between trump advisers -- jason miller about spreading election lies through tv ads. why would this be an important thread? >> don, what's interesting here to me is the coordination. we think of newt gingrich because he got famous for being an elected official, speaker of the house. but he is a private civilian now. and the allegation, if you look at the letter to newt gingrich, seems to be, he was courting, with jared kushner, which is interesting, by the way, we've not heard that name before -- and jason miller -- despite the lie about election fraud. and that helped sort of fanned the flames of what happened on january 6th. what's also very interesting is that the committee alleges that the 10:42 pm at night on january 6th -- so, after the riot had been quelled -- newt gingrich was still pushing for members of congress to decertify, to refuse to certify the election. so, newt gingrich has some questions to answer. this is not a subpoena. this is just a polite, informal request. i would hazard a guess, he may not comply, in which case t

they point to an email he sent to kushner and jason miller on december 8, 2020 in response to a proposed script about a tv ad about the election fraud n that email gingrich said, the goal is to arouse the country's anger through new verifiable information the american people have never seen before. if we inform the american people in a way that they find convincing it and arouses their anger they will then bring pressure on legislators and governors. the panel says that this shows that gingrich did not only seek to persuade and want him to sit for an interview, no response from gingrich. >>> we're learning that ginni thomas pressed to overturn election results, too. >> she's the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas. we knew that she had pressed to overturn election results in arizona but now we are learning she did the same thing in wisconsin, too. this is new information that was shared with cnn from a public records request and it shows that she effectively asked lawmakers in that state to reverse then president donald trump's election loss to biden. she says in this form emai

for a good six months to nail this interview and finally i was going to approach deadline and jason miller, who now runs getter was working for donald trump as a spokesman after he left the white house as well. finally says, okay, i really want to try and help you get the interview. but, you know, he doesn't want to do all these interviews. you know, he's skeptical. what should i tell him? like, what's the book about? and i said, well, him was like, oh, yeah that'll work. that's good. and so i finally get the i get the interview. i fly down to florida and it happens to be on cinco de, mayo. and it's the last week before mar a lago closes for the season. you know, the trump whatever the regulations are in palm he can't live there all year round so he doesn't just go to bedminster for a change of scenery. they actually have to shut down the club in the summer months and so i get there and just like they kept me waiting. so i'm off in this like dining that's not being used. like there are tables and i'm in there. the dinner staff with the maid or whoever is running the restaurant part of it s

and then it is all the footage of these trump aides, bill barr, jason miller, ivanka trump.card carrying members of mega nation, basically saying that trump knew the election wasn't stolen, he knew that. it's one of the most important aspects of modern communications strategy, you have a populace of people who don't trust the press that very much. they are very skeptical of politicians generally. used people from you in group to tell you a message you don't want to hear, it is very impressive. whether it is going to stick, that is up to us, what happens moving forward. it is going to depend on what the department justice does with donald trump. thus far, i think it has been an incredible success. >> you talk about facebook pretty decisively in the book, what would you say about the lack of holding administration accountable during those years, or criticizing the reporters knew that and we're waiting for the book. how do you think about the time's role in this whole moment? >> i think the new york times does incredible journalism. really, really important work. the stuff they

. >> who is that -- >> the jason millers of the world who are still there.n, who is one foot in and out, repeopledly. and others recognize they have been cast aside. some of whom chose to leave because of january 6th. >> and that's cassidy hutchinson -- >> exactly right. and you have -- there is a growing sense, though, with the adults out of the room, and this is so key, also, to what happened after the election, between election and january 6th, so many of the adult figures who were left departed. they looked for new jobs, there had been a covid outbreak in the white house, peopler with not there and that vacuum was filled by rudy giuliani and sidney powell and michael flynn and that sort of thing that's happening again. those are the characters, the only characters left around the former president. >> how do you evaluate the criminal exposure of these sort of dead enders? >> so, you know, one of the things you do when you're a criminal prosecutor, you look for people as you are going up the chain, you know, this is when we were doing paul manafort, we saw

it is all the footage of these trump aids, bill barr, jason miller, he ivanka trump, card-carrying members of maga nation, basically saying trump knew the election was not stolen. so it's one of the most important aspects of modern communication strategy where you have a population who are skeptical of politicians generally. it is to use people from your in-group to tell you a message you do not want to hear is very impressive. so whether it is going to stick is up to awesome, what happens going forward -- is up to us, what happens going forward. but thus far, it has been an credible success. >> you sprinkle in some criticism of the new york times. what would you say about the times's lack of holding the administration accountable during those years? or people criticize the reporters who knew things and waited until their books came out. how do you think about the times 's role? >> the new york times does credible journalism. they do really -- does incredible journalism. huge stories they broke. they do great stuff. i picked the times and facebook because they are by far the most influenti