law institute at the university of new hampshire and a legal analyst for "sports illustrated" and jason reedsports columnist for "the washington post" who covered the clipper as a beat writer. thanks to both of you for being here. jason, i want to start with you because you have covered the clippers extensively and you know sterling. tell me about him, both personally, because you've interviewed him, but also his reputation before this controversy. >> well, you know, you knew that there were things that were said when you were around the team about donald sterling's views on things. and when you would talk to people they would say -- >> that he had racist views on things. >> that he had racist views on things. people would tell you that. but when you were in his presence in personal settings, i've had dinner with him, he's had my wife to dinner, us as a couple. when our first child was born, the clippers sent something to the hospital as a gift. so, you know, a lot of times when you deal with people on a personal level and you hear things and you hear things that are attributed to them there