look at jason rezian the three other americans who are there. may execute more people every year than the chinese. all of these things are true. and it makes this deal one that's highly fraught. >> it does seem to the outside viewer that the only thing you have on them is the sanctions. that squeezing them -- i know the other side will say they've done all this with the sanctions. say that's even more reason, john mccain and others will say that's even more reason to turn the screws tighter on sanctions. and that absent that they do whatever they want and it's almost always against u.s. interests. if you abandon those sanctions are you worried about what happens? >> yeah. because i think you are going to find an iran that has more money, even if it puts a fair percentage of that into economic reconstruction and doing things that actually benefit the quality of life for the iranian public. they're still going to finance their adventures abroad in yemen, iraq and syria. there's a reality, again, we have a rising iran an iran that fashions itself a