. >> i believe i become a killer like malcolm and jason voorhees on friday the 13th. i'm fascinated the way they work. i heard voices like jason. they told me how to kill people and when to do it. the devil, i was possessed with the devil for six years. >> how about now? >> i hear a demon outside my window now. he lives outside my window. a demon. >> what does he tell you? >> most time he just sings or hums. he aggravates me and i can't sleep. >> when our producer noticed his scarred arms, she learned that sometimes ramon directs violence at himself as well. >> what are these scars? >> i cut my vain open about three times. twice with a spoon and once with a razor blade. just to watch the blood come out. i do it sometimes just for the hell of it. took 15 years of bottled up ang tear do. if i keep bottled up again i'll end up doing something like that again. >> he's not going to get that chance any time soon. ramon is not eligible for parole until 2057. >> if i can go back in time, escape when i had the chance. at least took out at least 30 people before -- had a little

when i was a danger, it was freddy krueger and jason voorhees.now with internet and interactive caming, there's so many more bays. in any way, the killings were planned out over months, they drew in their verdict -- victim, and they almost killed her. eric: thankfully, the victim has survived. >> she has. eric: this is so astounding and tragic and horrific in terms of what's going on with some of our young people. >> i mean, in this case the defense has an uphill battle because the prosecution has determined and the judge has determined to try 12-year-old girls as adults. so they are -- eric: is that fair? >> well, the judge has determined that what dan said, based on their premeditation and this intense behavioral pattern of them, i'm thinking the defense may go with some sort of a mental incapacity or mental instability for the two girls, but i don't know psychologically what they've seen in the past or what they're experiencing. it is so severe, what they're alleged to have done, that to try them as adults as 12-year-olds they're going to face