i'll talk about jason weinstein. he knew about wide receiver. he told mr. brewer about it. he met with a fchtf. did he not know about the tactics, the inappropriate tactics, the gun walking tactics involved in fast and furious until later on and didn't connect those tactics with the ones that we used in wide receiver and admitted what he did was a mistake and indicate ed and did he fail in making that connection? >> and so he continues on, as do other senior officials. moved around as chessmen on a significant nature at this point in time. no admission other than brought on the carpet and brought into the public light that this thing has gone wrong, was set up to go wrong. and, frankly, i believe it was set up to go wrong in order to deal with second amendment liberties of law abiding citizens and pushing into a perception that it was the problem of the second amendment as opposed to law enforcement. and more importantly, mr. attorney general, your oversight of an agency of a department, of individual leaders in that department that have not been held accountable. >> well,

the e-mail as said, jason's e-mail, jason weinstein's e-mail, he was talking about wide receiver and not fast and furious. >> thank you before holder. i yield back my time. >> i would like to explain something. the third -- i'm out of time, but the chairman as i understand has some prerogatives. >> in the case of an accusation of false statement, i will briefly -- brian terry's mother and father were told by a law enforcement official that they believed it was the third gun. the missing number that was later explained seemed to corroborate it. ultimately, though, three people have reported that they were told that there was a third weapon. now, we don't know if there was or wasn't. justice has not infirmed whether or not there is a ballistic match on the two fast and furious weapons, nor have they confirmed that they are looking for an additional weapon or additional shooter. i take very seriously getting the facts right. the fact is, we report in a limited basis, things which in this case, the press would weigh ahead of, and you said, yes, we're looking into it. we did, and i will a

>> yes, on the, i guess this is the october 17th from jason weinstein to james trusty. >> and both of those gentlemen are main justice employees. >> that's correct. >> and would you agree gun walk something mentioned specifically, correct? >> yes. in the second line. the number of guns that have walked. >> yes, sir, and it is actually mentioned in both the exchanges. guns that have walked and then somebody says gun walking. so that's two references to it. now, can you find the phrase "wide receiver" anywhere in that e-mail? >> i can't see this very well but i'm going to assume given the tenor of why you are question that the term "wide receiver" does not appear in here but mr. weinstein testified when he was talking about a tricky case, he was referring to wide receiver in the sunday october 17th e-mail. >> and i can't speak to that mr. attorney general. my point is this. leading up to february 4th, a letter was being drafted, and i'm much more concerned with the name at the top of that letter than i am the name at the bottom. that the name, department of justice, means something to m

>> well, i'm not going to get into paterno but i will talk about jason weinstein. he knew about why, and he told mr. burr about it. he met with atf. he has indicated he did not know about the tactics, the inappropriate tactics the gunwalking tactics involved in fast and furious until later on. and didn't connect those tactics were the ones that were used in wide receiver and has admitted that what he did was a mistake. and has indicated that he failed in not making that connection. >> and so he continues on, as do other senior officials, moved around as chess men on a board with the consequences of significant nature at this point in time. no admission other than now in brought into the carpet and brought into the public light that this thing was gone wrong, was set up to go wrong, and, frankly, i believe it was set up to go wrong in order to do with second amendment liberties of law-abiding citizens and pushing into a perception that it was the problem of second amendment as opposed to law enforcement. and more importantly, mr. attorney general, your oversight of

from your own knowledge to say that neither lanny breuer as head of the criminal division nor jason weinstein did anything to stop the program after they learned of what it was about? >> stop the program -- >> fast and furious. prior to brian terry's death. >> yeah. i mean, they both admitted that they were aware of operation wide receiver and never connected the techniques that were used in wide receiver to operation fast and furious, and as a result did not take any action in that regard. and both have admitted that that was a mistake. >> let's go through this, i think in my limited time i want to make sure we do deal with wide receiver versus fast and furious. as of today do your law enforcement authorities such as the atf have the ability to see a straw purchase and rather than arrest them at the door with no evidence, follow them to the next location? >> see them? >> in other words, do, does law enforcement have the ability to follow suspected gun traffickers with the weapons in their car from location to location? >> to keep them under constant surveillance? >> yes. >> they certainly ha