wheeler says labor. this is a structural shift. jasonces, we are a small investmentocusing on advisors and institutional investors, but there have been real changes. in many ways, the entire business is shrinking for now. i do think it is not over. but the business is more cyclical. i think people find the business more cyclical than it was in the past. for a long time, it seemed like it was secular growth, and now it is turning out to be cyclica. caroline: jason, caroline in london. you talk about the risk reward positiveg particularly for stocks. when will it be more positive? jason: it is a good question. -- reusing $120 for the s&p 500 operating earnings in 176, and then we are using as a multiple for the s&p 500 this year. but in theigh, context of low interest rates and low inflation, our economy models would suggest you get something quite a bit higher than that. models wouldetric suggest you get something quite a bit higher than that. to answer your question, i would 18.50mething more in the range. given some of the macro headwin