but here, wrote jason whitlock, is what i believe. if jovan belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> reporter: you know, we live in a social media world. so as you can imagine, the twittersphere was all abuzz last night. reaction very swift. some agreeing with bob costas. others very frustrate. here's a tweet from a very frustrated viewer saying guns don't kill people, people kill people. keep that liberal crap off the nfl aeir waves. a second tweet coming in from chris says bob costas just spoke some truth and real profound stuff on the sunday night football halftime show. to be fair, carol, bob costas for years has always given his opinion. it's typically on sports. he's made a lot of money doing that. he's had a really successful career doing that. last night, though, he definitely crossed over into a very politically charged topic that a lot of people have an opinion on. carol? >> you've got that right. joe carter, reporting live for us this morning. >>> on to other news now, a scary mome

that was jason whitlock. original piece he wrote is the one that bob costas cited when he agreed with jason whitlock. that was whitlock yesterday explaining the piece. now can someone tell me how an afternoon man shooting an african-american -- an african-american man shooting his african-american girlfriend, somehow that racist? >> bob: it's not. it was a bad thing for him to say. but i would raise one other point. that is with all that we are learning about this guy belcher with the troubled past and the rest of this, why can't a guy like that, an alcoholic go in a gun store and buy a gun legally? >> andrea: okay. you bring in the nra. >> greg: ban booze. >> andrea: they do not support people on drugs or criminals getting guns. this guy, sorry, if i were anybody reading this, he is an apologist for criminal behavior. columnist for domestic abuse. why does vit to be somebody's fault? do you think the nra -- sorry, do you think the nra is arming african-american communities and drugging them up for each other

and herman cain didn't like was actually written by, as bob costas notes, fox sports columnist jason whitlockonmental tire tea of jason's piece, which is the first article that i've read about football this year, you can be see that bob costas chose to quote it carefully, specifically leaving out the part on his show the part where jason whitlock does get political and eloquently so here's part of what he did not read in that article. we've come to accept our insanity. we'd prefer to avoid seriously reflecting upon the absurdity of the prevailing notion that the second amendment somehow enhances our liberty rather than threatens it. how many young people have to die senselessly, how many lives have to be ruined before we realize that the right to bear arms doesn't protect us from a government equipped with stealth bombers, predator drones, tank, and nuclear weapons? i, for one, played enough football in high school and watched enough football for years after that to be done with football a long time ago but i'm glad that bob costas and jason whitlock aren't done with football. i'm glad they w

who knows, but here wrote jason whitlock is what i believe.her didn't possess a gunering and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> joining me now, bob costas. bob, thank you for joining us. i'm wondering when you decided you were going to have to say something, obviously you would have to say something about this horrible murder-suicide that occurred, nfl player killing the mother of his child right in front of his child, in front of his own mother, then killing himself. how did you decide how to do that in your show? >> well, i only had about 90 seconds and half of that or close to half of it was devoted to another observation. and throughout the day on the other network football programs, and then earlier including in the prior segment on our show original football night in america, the why's and where for had all been covered. i was looking for a different way in. some people may have misunderstood my comments. i took one aspect of it as expressed by a writer whom i quoted verbatim. i took one aspect of it. i do not think that is t

. >> what i spoke about in quoting jason whitlock is a mentality.re's a gun culture. >> let's get to that. >> tony dungy, highly respected figure, 80 players before he cut them showed up in training camp, how many of you own guns? about 60 of the 80. they may feel they need it for protection. >> why, do you know why they have them? i don't know. >> they may feel it's part of a romanticized culture, a wild west dirty harry aspect. >> they're macho man and got to have a gun. >> jon: costas made the first remarks on sunday evening about 36 hours after the jovan belcher, music, suicide and the criticism directed to costas for using that platform to make these remarks, what do you think about it, jim? >> well, i think it was kind of strange and especially given the fact that the nfl had been under such pressure for cte, that encephalopathy. and the problem is gun control and they go chasing after the gun control rabbit for this, as it were and he's become heavily praised and including by juan williams here at fox. and i think he has a career as a politic

this man supports writer jason whitlock who actually works for foxsports.com. he injected race into the kansas city chief's murder suicide. he said unnamed forces in america want guns in the black communities so that people of color could destroy each other. whitlock went on to call the nra, quote, the new kkk. that, of course, is insane. the only reason anybody ever heard about it is because bob costas mentioned whitlock in his gun commentary on nbc. so we called this whitlock guy and invited him on the factor. here's what he wrote, quote. i was summoned to testify before speaker of the big house, bill o'reilly, the fox news entertainer. i don't have to shuffle off to the big house when summoned. o'reilly is not boehner, pelosi, or obama. he's tv intertainer who spent the weeks after the election crying about the end of white establishment america. the end of the days when an upstanding white man felt entitled to summon whomever he wanted whenever he wanted to the big house to dance. i don't dance, unquote. now, that is pure racism. nothing else. whitlock impl

but here, wrote jason whitlock, is what i believe. if belcher didn't possess a gun, he and perkins would both be alive today. > >> greta: costas was quoting jason whitlock. immediately after he spoke, twitter blowing up with reaction. herman cain tweeting you tune in to a football game and listen to bob costas spewing sang t sancts drek. >> where are we headed? bob costas deserves to be fired for these remarks. >> he's allowed to have his opinion. yes, he's allowed to go there. >> we want to ban guns because the gun kills the person, not the person pulling the trigger. >> you want to get a political lecture by the rantings on the left, i suggest that bob costas could have worked for msnbc. >> jason whitlock's right. if there's no gun here, nobody's dead. i don't know what the issue is to take issue with. >> i don't get the sense he was calling for specific legislation or saying here's what we should do. >> how come costas gets to express his opinion during halftime of seasoned night sundt football? the answer is simple. because that's

jason whitlock assessment of it. can you imagine if he was talking pro-life? place would be uproar and shut it down. pull the plug on him. are you okay? >> bob: costas is right. the two people would be alive if it wasn't for that handgun in his hand. the culture of violence is out of control. if it was up to me, been a all handguns. burn them. if you want to project your house, keep a rifle. you don't need handgun. the hands of someone unstable with a drinking problem. >> eric: this guy is 6'4". 320. he could have killed her with his bare hands. it wasn't the handgun that killed her. jovan belcher killed her. >> bob: i see. right. >> kimberly: greg? >> greg: if it was a deadly flood it would be the same saying we need to been a water. he is a hypocritical buffoon. he spends his life wondering in and out of the new york buildings flanked by people who are armed. he doesn't have to have a gun because he is protected by people with guns. he is a sanctimonious ghoul. when something comes up, he has to come up. pay attention to me. this is about scoring points with

in a column written by jason whitlock because, quote, whitlock said it so well. >> handguns do thought enhance our safety. they exacerbate our flaws, tempt us to escalate arguments and bait us into embracing confrontation rather than avoiding it. in the coming days, jovan belcher's actions and their position connection to football will be analyzed. who knows? but here wrote jason whitlock is what i believe if jovan belcher didn't possess a gun he and cassandra perkins would both be alive today. >> the 93-year-old costas has gotten a bit of blow back for his comment as the nra-ceo said, quote, people turn on nbc to watch a football game and didn't want to listen to bob costas make excuses about a murder and wining about his social agenda of gun bans in the middle of a football game. remi, let's go to you first. whether you believe in gun control or not, i can't remember. it is half time at a chief hfs panthers -- chiefs-panthers game which for your information is football. really the best place to make a political statement? >> yes. isn't that where everybody should make their political

who knows, but here wrote jason whitlock is what i believe.belcher didn't process a gun, he and perkins would be alive today. >> bret: news busters said costas entitled to his opinion but does he have to give it during halftime of a nationally televised game? critics who say political bias turns up in college classrooms have a big number to back up the case. the web site campus reform looked to federal election records from open secrets.org and found 96% of donations from ivy league faculty and staff went to president obama. congress approval rating has been dreadful but scores low marks on ethics and honesty also. new gallop poll finds members of congress come in second to last among professions beating only car salespeople. car salesman took to twitter today to express displeasure with the poll. 10% said they would give congress a high to very high rating. 34% said average. 54% said very low to low. finally when researching the internet be careful when citing wikipedia. judge in england compiled a 2,000-page report on press ethics in which h

is that a guy that bob costas-- jason whitlock, pardon me, bob costas should be quoting?> and the kkk, that injection into this tragic so out of place, the press is not focused on the fact that most of the moral outrage here has been directed toward the weapon, towards gun rather than to the actual killer, that's been a huge part of this story that's missing. >> jon: there are 100 million gun owners in this country. hard to equate that with the kkk. up next, controversy over a shocking image. . >> a man gets pushed to his death at a new york city subway stop. the tragic scene captured by a photo journalist and then published by the new york post. did the paper do anything wrong? answers next on news watch. >> this is the scene on monday after the death of a 58-year-old pushed by a homeless man on to the tracks in one of new york's busiest subway stations. the scene caught on video showing the two men arguing on the platform before the push. the victim's final moments also captured by a photo journalist and the image used on the front page of the new york post. the parent

who knows, but here, wrote jason whitlock, is what i believe.f javon belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> poignant words. what should this country do in response? joining me to debate what is certainly a matter of life and death to so many people is david copel, research director at the independence institute. on the other side is josh horowitz, executive director of the coalition to stop gun violence. welcome to you both. david, let me ask you, i suppose an obvious question, why did jovan belcher need a high powered hand gun? >> well, he didn't need any hand gun to kill, to murder his wife and leave the poor baby as an orphan. o.j. simpson showed that football players like lots of other domestic abusers, can kill people with their bare hands. >> right, but why does anybody in america need either a hand gun or high powered assault weapon? i don't understand. explain to me. >> i don't think the police have released what kind of hand gun he owned. do you know what kind he owned? why are you calling it

but here, wrote jason whitlock, is what i believe: if jovan belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra would both be alive today. >> that statement has enraged the great defenders of america's gun culture at fox news. they put forth their best efforts to smear bob costas in the everies. >> bob costas in the standards of our industry deserves to be fired for these remarks. >> he's a ghoul. >> it's a fantasy land to waste time thinking if i had a magic wand, i would get rid of all the guns and we would have world peace. >> i don't know if it's appropriate less than 24 hours after the event to make that stance. >> when is it appropriate to talk about gun control in america? jovan belcher could have used any number of weapons to kill his girlfriend kasandra perkins. but having a gun in the house sure made it a hell of a lot easier. in a year where we have seen tragedy after tragedy, whether it be in the streets of chicago or the movie theater in colorado, we as a country seem to accept it. the gun lobby is winning. in fact, nra cea is out fear mongering today. he's accusing bob costas of t

when he quoted a kansas city sports writer named jason whitlock who assigned some the blame for the horrible crime to gun possession. >> our current gun culture, whitlock wrote ensures that more and more domestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy and that more convenient store confrontations over loud music coming from darr will lead more teenage boys bloody and dead. they exacerbate our flaws tempt us to arguments and tempt us to confrontation rather than avoiding it. >> even if you believe what costas and whitlock are putting out there, what's the solution? the constitution gives americans the right to protect themselves,s that clear. many parts of the country people need hand guns in order to feel secure against criminals who might harm them. talking points has long felt that criminals who use handguns should be punished more harshly than they are now. in fact, all gun crimes in america should be federalized and that includes illegal possession. the level of aggression that a criminal brings is far greater when that criminal uses a gun. a lethal weapon is just that lethal. and so

. >>> you want actual perspective on this, a bit comes from the kansas city based writer jason whitlocknot agree but today said it so well, we may as well quote or paraphrase from the end of his article. our current gun culture, whitlock wrote, ensures that more and more domestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy and that more convenience store confrontations over loud music from a car will leave more teenage boys bloodied and dead. >> that was nbc's bob costas at halftime of last night's eagles game offering his thoughts on the javon belcher tragedy after he took his own life this weekend as well as the life of his girlfriend, kasandra perkins, mother of his 3-month-old child. the murder suicide has reignited the violence in football, football and drugs and athletes and guns and, of course, guns and violence. let's backspin on it. i'm a little emotional after reading that. my first thought here is bob costas is in his right to say whatever he wants to say and hold whatever position he wants to hold. i personally have a pretty nuanced position on this issue in general. you know,

i quoted from a column by jason whitlock who was in kansas city for a long time now is on the fox sports web site in which he mentioned, i think credit continuably, credibly a gun culture in this country. plays itself in many ways it's about and toward guns that almost always leads to tragedy rather than safety. >> bill: we will get to that in a moment. i want to clear this gun control thing up because that's why got in trouble because some people felt. >> yeah. >> bill: this is a very emotional issue and i'm sure you know that. >> of course it is. >> mr. whitlock is really far out. >> there i'm not agreeing. >> bill: i know. when you associate. >> with whom. >> bill: when you associate yourself with a guy like who is that far out there. >> i was unaware of the remarks he made about the nra and the kkk i'm not sure the time line whether they postdated or predated. obviously i would disagree with them a hundred percent. >> i get it. mild scolding compared to what i have received over the last 72 hours. >> bill: as long as you call a christmas tree a christmas tree you are okay here. >> me

a bit of it comes from the kansas city based writer jason whitlock who i always do not agree but todayy quote and paraphrase from the end of the his article. our current gun culture whitlock wrote insures more and more domestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy. more convenience stores and con fromtation will leave teenage boys bloody and dead. they bait us into embracing confrontation rather than avoiding. in the coming days javon belcher's actions and their possible connection to football will be analyzed who knows but here, wrote jason whitlock, is what i believe if javon belcher didn't possess a gun he and casandra perkins would both be alive. martha: what do you think about that? should he have gone there? >> well, he is allowed to have his opinion just like we are all allowed to have our opinion on this show. yes, he is allowed to go there. that is what he does at halftime. bob costas is a brilliant sportscaster and jason whitlock is right, if there is no gun here, nobody is dead. i don't know what the issue is to take issue with. we just had a presidential campaign, mart

but hear wrote jason whitlock. gun, he and kassandra perkins would loath be alive today. >> costas and whitlock, were talking about the death of jordan davis. a florida student was killed in a hail of bullets fired by a motorist over the volume of the music jordan and his friends were playing. we haven't forgotten the hundreds and thousands of nameless people who are nameless to the media who are falling victim to gun violence in cities like chicago. how many more kassandras and jordan and trayvons and gabby giffords do we need before our political leaders talk seriously about our country's gun problem. with me at the table, law professor, kenji yoshino, donna edwards of maryland. senior fellow at dee moes, bob herbert and john a nanny, the founder of a program dedicated to introducing urban and rural high school students to activities. >> you've written column after column about guns and gun violence in our country. every time, he have time there's this kind of high-profile incident, we say now we're going to have

but even if you had that, you would still have the problem of what jason whitlock wrote about and what i agree with and that is a gun culture in this country. >> well, coming up, david beckham says good-bye as fleet wood mak comes roaring back. and the bridge is blasted. you're watching "first look" on msn msnbc. in 2001. since then, there's been one wedding, 2 kids, and 43 bottles of olay total effects. so in spite of 185 tantrums 378 pre-dawn starts and a lot of birthdays, caroline still looks amazing. you can challenge what's possible thanks to the trusted performance of olay. 60 years, millions of women, real results. military families face, we understand. at usaa, we know military life is different. we've been there. that's why every bit of financial advice we offer is geared specifically to current and former military members and their families. [ laughs ] dad! dad! [ applause ] ♪ [ male announcer ] life brings obstacles. usaa brings advice. call or visit us online. we're ready to help. with less chronic osteoarthritis pain. imagine living your life with less chronic low back pai

and quoted a column from box sports columnist jason whitlock who wrote our current gun culture simply ensures that more and more domestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy in a more convenient store confrontations over loud music coming from a car will leave more teenage boys bloodied and dead. or more disputes with teachers and faculty at schools or financial or domestic problems at home or mental illness within will leave more of our children dead in mass shootings we're told by the powerful corporate gun lobby to talk about guns and gun reform is off limits in our elected lawmakers including the one who lives in the white house apply no one talked about gun reform in a serious way just like no one talk seriously about gun reform after the aurora theater massacre earlier this year and no one talk seriously about gun reform after the sikh temple massacre and no one to argue about serious gun reform after the tucson massacre last year that nearly killed former congresswoman gabby giffords there was no serious gun reform talk after the virginia tech massacre in two thousand and

belcher's actions and their possible connection to football will be analyzed who knows but here wrote jason whitlock is what i believe if trayvon belcher didn't possess a gun he and cassandra perkins would both be alive today. and here's what caused this didn't say he didn't say the government should take away people's guns he didn't say we should repeal the second amendment and he didn't call for limits on gun ownership still the conservative media and the blogosphere along with fiery outrage towards cost to us and fox news is still talking about it today so if we really come to a point in this country where uttering the word gun is akin to screaming out the f. word for all they hear joining me now to talk more about this is the neil mccabe editor of the guns and patriots column for human events online and elvis i've been all fired up tom have you been absolutely what he was quoting a fox sports guy well you know not all fox is the right boxes fox yeah exactly got that so you know what's wrong with what bob costas said i mean just fundamentally what's what's wrong with the a you know if this was if

different than what they did ironically two weeks ago to bob costas and one of their own employees jason whitlock when costas and whitlock talked about guns with respect to the kansas city chiefs who killed his girlfriend and himself and they unleashed this entire pundit machine that was a lot more hard edged in a lot nastier now you don't see the nastiest and hearted what you're seeing is just the message here that well we had in the salt weapons ban and columbine happened well. somehow they got those guns you know it's. this is their this is their message machine work they're also message the message machine is also mental health they also say well you can't guard against crazy people well i mean what they don't say is that the people that they support politically the people they have on their show of pushback against obamacare which is mandated mental health parity and they don't cover. cuts in mental health services by state and local governments so what you see is the picture of lanza or the shooter in the batman theater you see these crazy face plastered boom boom boom boom boom but you don

. >> dana: jason whitlock hadn't written about it yet. >> greg: there youo. >> bob: one thing they areposing is interlock system for the cars. the guys have money and drive fast cars. souped up cars. the combination of that and the booze is a recipe for disaster. interlock system is something that having used it myself, in the early days, you know, you drive along. you got to blow in the thing to get the car started. every 15 minutes it goes off and you have to blow in it again. in and of itself it's dangerous. the guys are less than the average for this demographic. i'm not so sure there is as big a problem. but it gets attention. >> kimberly: dana? >> dana:ly be the skunk at the garden party. it's because they are looked up to they should be held to a higher standard. they get obscene amount of money to throw ball around. they are adults and there should be consequences for their action. i would have zero tolerance policy. if you're caught, off the team. they would hire a driver. they can afford it. >> eric: bring up a good point. >> kimberly: men love fast cars. i like them, too. th

. >> i didn't call for any specific prohibition on guns and i voted from a column by jason whitlock andx supports website, in which he mentioned a gun culture in this country and it plays itself out in many ways, but it's about and toward guns that almost always leads to tragedy. >> not always leads to tragedy, in fact, mr. costas, i think you're a great sports caster, i really do, i thought you did a terrific job for the olympics, for the same reason i don't try to do commentary on sports you might want to do some brushing up on the facts before you comment on what you call the gun culture. here is the fact. over 4,000 times a day, in this country. 4,000 times a day, guns are use today prevent a crime by private citizens. in fact, there is 50 times more of a likelihood that a private citizen with a firearm will stop a crime than will be the victim of a crime. apparently, you also think that if maybe belcher hadn't had a gun that cassandra would have been alive, a big 6 foot 8 football player, he could have kill her with a loaf of bread, much less a gun. i don't think it would have made

it's interesting when you have a sportscaster, both bob costas and jason whitlock.t's sad this is an epidemic. i think the mainstream press talk about the politics, i think the mainstream press has basically adopted the n.r.a. slogan of guns don't kill people people do. >> the voices we're hearing from are coming from not where we would expect. do you go pound on the doors of major media organizations and say please talk about this and what response do you get? >> not a particularly receptive one. i think there's a big misconception about how touchy a subject is, you know. the opponents of, you know, bob costas speaking out, they are particularly vocal but don't represent the general american public. >> did you have those numbers and can you give us them? what are the public numbers? >> i asked do you support having a background check for every begun pressure, policy that would decrease the number of people killed every single day. 34 americans die every single day from guns. >> say that number again. >> 34 every day. >> 34? that's an amazing number. >> yeah, if nob

well, a bit of it comes from the kansas city based writer jason whitlock with whom i do not always agree well that we may as well from the end of his article. our current gun krul tour, whitlock wrote, insures that nestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy and that more convenience store confrontations over loud music coming from a car will lee more teenage boys bloodied and dead. handguns do not enhance our safety. they exacerbate our gnaws, tempt us to escalate confrontation rather than avoiding it. >> pretty clear what he was saying. howard kurtz from cnn's ""reliable sources" "joins me live now by skype. quite a discussion has erupted since those comments were made, howie. is that a legitimate conversation that we should all be having about what bob said? >> well, it's an important conversation, ashleigh, but by stepping out of his sportcaster's role, bob costa had to know that he was going to invite the anger and the eyre from all the sports fans that don't agree with him on the issue of gun control. i can only conclude he felt it was so important just a day after that traged

another guy who has inserted himself into the story kansas city sports writer jason whitlock who cease it that way. >> i believe the nra is the new kkk and the army of so -- arming of some black youths and loading up our communities with drugs and having an open shooting gallery is the work of people that, you know, obviously don't have our best interest. >> bill: what a bunch of bull. we invited mr. whitlock on the program tonight. is he hiding under his desk. he knows he can't defend that position. here a bulletin to whitlock. no society can protect a society against a guy like belcher. it's hard wired into some people. this deflexion into guns or race simply nonsense. we are living in a time of denial. our cultured is cluttered for excuses for bad behavior. it's always somebody else's fault not the individual screwing up. all of us make mistakes how many of us own up? talk to teenagers today you will hear a litany of excuse-making for just about everything. while those immature minds may be understood we offensive don't challenge the dodge. schools chalked full of people in authorit

hand guns do not enhance our safety, but here wrote jason whitlock, is what i believe. did not possea hand gun, he and ca sa cassandrr perkins would both be alive today. >> sean: many reports are emerging that the nfl player was suffering from repeated head injuries as well as painkiller addiction all of which would make costas' comments sound more premature, absurd, and opportunistic. here with reaction is eric rush, leo terrell. leo. sosomebody is hell bent on killg season. you're friends with o.j. simpson. he was found liable in the civil case. there was no gun used. somebody's hell bent on killing somebody, leo, they don't need a gun to do it. they can figure out a whole host of ways to kill somebody. >> i anticipate you'll use the simpson case. shame on you. first of all, bob costas is an award winning journalism. he doesn't need any type of platform. he has credibility. he gave social commentary. >> you don't need a gun to kill somebody. >> you know what? gun control is an issue where guns are in the hands of people in the urban community and guns -- soi-- >> sean