in the show, you have jasper johns' painted bronze, untitled cans.ou have work by rauschenberg with cans together. you can see they are contemplating cans and consuming them. charlie: why did they split? leah: i can't tell you the answer to that. charlie: there are no biographies written about it? leah: no, i do not know the answer to that. but i do know they had an incredible, formative impact on each other. among the greatest artistic partnerships of our time. charlie: who else did he have a great collaborative relationship with? leah: his first collaboration was with an artist named sue wilde, who became his wife. they met in paris and went down to black mountain together. in many ways, she taught him how to work with someone else. they made great blueprints together. i think that was a young and very formative relationship. and, one of the things that trained him in the idea of dialogue in partnership. he had a multiyear collaborative relationship with merce cunningham, where he worked making sets and costumes. but it was more than that, as well.

johns, cy jasper twombly, merce cunningham, john cage, tricia brown.e he collaborated with is so fundamental to what we think of, in terms of culture today. that is how we approach the project. wanted to show he is an artist who made work in dialogue with other people. and together, they laid the foundation for art of our moment in time. charlie: what do you hope we since, --ience, see, sense, as we walk through this exhibition? been skepticalys about the idea of individual genius, that you go off and sit in your garret and think about yourself and have ideas alone, visited by a muse, a female muse. that is not the way it works. it is not the way it works in science, technological innovation, or in art. we wanted to suggest that throughout rauschenberg's career, you could celebrate creativity in conversation. he collaborated more than anyone else. he is always pulling people into his projects and finding a way to create new works with someone else. we want people to fill that openness, as well. charlie: where does that come from? leah: he is certainly

was 20 year 20 ye. >> when did you meet jasper johns?> what influence did you think you had on each other? >> i think the main influence was we were the only two people that were not trying to do abstract expressionism, we were the only two people doing something else, and so, you know, i mean, we were both an audience of one to his work. >> rose: a great friendship. >> oh, very. and i think it is a thing that made us get along was the fact that we were so different ourselves. i would go out on the streets and get everything and he would shut the windows. >> rose: right. i got you. >> but we had different studios so that was all right because i spent my time trying to mimic what i saw outdoors and he tried to create what he felt in his head. i mean, i was very tempted to work like da kuehn. >> rose: how is that. >> i would have loved to have done rothkos. >> and -- but my respect for their view, i mean, that was them, and i think that, you know, if there is a legacy, i am very happy that i can have this enviable point of view as these pe

. >> like jasper johns, and john cage, and tricia brown-- the list of people he collaborated withdamental to what we think of in terms of culture taed. and that's how we approach the project. we wanted to show that he's an artist who made work and dialogue with other people, and then together, they really laid the foundation for art of our moment in time. >> rose: what do you hope we will experience, feel, sense as we walk through this exhibition? >> well, a lot of things. one thing they think is that there's-- you know, i've always been a bit skeptical about the idea of individual genius, that you go off and you sit in your garrett, and you think by yourself, and you have ideas alone, visited by a muse, a female muse. and that's not the way it works. that's not the way it works with science. that's not the way it works with technological innovation, and it's not the way it works with art. and we wanted to suggest through his career you could celebrate creativity and conversation. of course, he collaborates more than almost anyone else. he is always pulling people into his project

jasper? >> a 12 year old american sat l bread, we've had him for about six years. >> champion and former world chap john quite a personality. 's champion in saddle bread western pleasure. and we are going to demonstrate getting him ready this morning. he will show this evening in his championship. we were very happy he won his qualifier wednesday evening, and like i said, certainly not camera shy. little built of a diva personality, like the attention, and he loves showing off for everybody at the horse show. >> perfect for television, jasper knows what's good for tv. >> yes, he does. >> so when you say saddle bread -- >> they've been featured here at devon for many, many, many years. the saddle bread called the peacock of the show ring. because they like to show off very preps i have, animated when they travel happen really shine in the show ring. and he's competes in the western pleasure division of the saddle breds. that's what does, also very versatile, he also will show in english, as well. >> pretty cool. >> he'll actually be doing both today. >> champion already. >> pretty cool. >> he is pretty a