john roberts who voted for obama care. i know rick unger is about to have heart pal paitation not just for my good looks. >> not. >> and jaub john roberts said significantly higher health insurance premiums. >> morkan it comes down to math. how can you insure 30 million new people and cover stuff without premiums going up? >> that brings up a good point. they'll not rise arguably if the man date is struck down. >> right on. >> and that's the point that needs to be made here. we have seen similar things on the state. washington state in 1993 and had a similar reform in place and struck the man date and kept mandatory coverage for everyone and we saw the premiums rise and coverage is back on in 1999 massachusetts kept it and premiums have not risen much. >> oh, yeah they have. compared to median of the state. >> it is in the weeds of statistics. john, common sense dictates if you have to do more. you pay more for it, right? >> i don't need an errant e-mail to tell me what is obvious. >> affordable air act can't refuse individuals on preexisting conditions. if you refuse to pay the tax. you can later in the game get an insuran