the death of javier maner, i believe is not the cause of the genocide. this is not one day reparition. the implements were used, the training of the hutu civilians, all of those preparations had been way before the death of javier manar. so, if you look at the event by ent, you know that the killing, the planning of the killing of tutsis was in the plan for a long time. i believe since in the -- in the '80s, you know, you can tell that the genocide was coming. >> did people not immediately flee because they just couldn't believe that their own neighbors, the people they knew in their own towns were going to try to kill them? >> that was the confusion because it was not clear how, you know, neighbors and husband and wife and kids can turn around and kill their loved ones and friends. and people from church. and nurses and doctors. they all turn in one minute and become a killer. so that's where people were not really prepared for because we didn't understand how bad this preparation was because it was in secret, and we did not have tutsies in the army. we