forty faith based films including most recent god's not dead later we'll be joined via skype by jay bakker the son of fame televangelist jim and tammy faye bakker dr krauss were you ever a believer. well when i grew up when i was a kid i was exposed so stories i was brought up as you jewish household and i and i i read a lot read the bible read the qur'an and i'm sort of want to believe and then i just sort of grew out of it just like santa claus just grew out of it yeah it was not a tiff and it was just realizing was all kind of silly what about you guys and i've said about the same despite my family's valiant efforts to keep me in the religion i never could i just never buy into it it was never something i could believe in and so the cast off an early age in your film you state that so maybe is in some areas of you does as rate this as bad as rape is is that true yeah i've also seen that yeah there was a study by psychologists did in in a in a major journal and they they ranked off of the people that you might trust and atheists were at the very bottom along with rapists at the same time