. >> jay carmona. >> welcome. >> good afternoon, commissioners, i'm sue von, you called me earlier, i'm with the sierra club >> >> what happened to jay? >> in line. i am with the sierra club, and we -- as john rizzo testified earlier and as michelle testified earlier, we do support these not to exceed rate and is we urge you to adopt them. and get this program off the ground. this is historic in nature, i'm a student of history, used to teach history, this is the kind of thing that should go down in history and first one of the major american city adopting this and getting this program off the ground and your names will be attached to this so you should do this with pride. your children will be grateful, your grandchildren will be grateful and i'm peeling to sentiment here, and i would be grateful also. and as a member of the sierra club, we look forward to working with you and i also want to say, i hear some hissing in the background and i want to say we look forward to working with labor because this is going to create jobs and new jobs, competition, it's the american way, there will