a few moments ago jay carney told me that's nonsense. take a listen. >> he says you're doing that so that it starts after the midterm elections. >> the fact is we're doing this because it makes sense for insurers to have a clearer sense of pool of consumers they gain in the market this year before setting rates for next year. >> now, if it makes sense to do that for the 2015 enrollment i also asked jay why not extend the 2014 enrollment even further. as you know, you talked about this extension within december for this year. but that enrollment for 2014 extends through the end of march. the early part of next year. they've got this six-month time period that started a few weeks back, of course. jay said, look, they've -- overall, you've got six months there. no reason to extend that. but as you know, it's not just republicans on the hill but about a dozen senate democrats have said that maybe it should be extended beyond march 31st of 2014 because fans are logging on. >>> lawmakers wasting no time blasting the delay. republican senator o

jay carney said we didn't break that promise. if your insurance down graded it, it is not our fault, it is the insurance company's fault, is he accurate? >> no, no one said what they say they said. the president said what we said you could keep your plan if it hasn't changed since the laws passed. in the 27 sound bites that we played from the president did you hear that end part? no, what we hear in the sound bite. you can keep your plan if you like your plan period. he said that numerous, numerous times. and the whole new apse if the plan changes at all, we are talking about at all. one there. if the premium changes and if the detuktible shifts or change at all. then you are automatically dropped from that plan. we are talking about right now, 3.5 million cancellation letters are going out and that potential gets higher and that doesn't include the people affected by the employer man date that is delayed by a year. >> the president said something like two dozen times and maybe more. they are two dozen times if you like your plan

again, listen to what jay carney said today, you said they were not on the same page, jay carney says they were. >> jay carney said it would be like throwing out the baby with the bath water if they tried to reinstate the insurance policies. the administration thus far seems to be talking about a fix, which so far could be a premium up subsidy. >> the president told chuck todd that he would like to fix it where these people could keep their insurance. >> honor the commitment that was made. how can they do that? i mean -- senator landrieu and bill clinton are on the same page, trying to keep the insurance. but the problem is, is that possible? they have already been cancelled. the insurance companies have already moved on. >> well, they're cancelled in the individual market, i think something like that 17% keep their insurance for a year, the idea that somebody got their insurance cancelled before 2010 is just absurd. >> that is not the suggestion, the policy changes -- >> megyn, you keep making the assertion, people lose health insurance all the time. people particularly lose their he

the same jay carney and the same jay carney that on other occasions said it is only 5% that are impacted by losing their plans. this is what he said, nobody should listen to this, earlier today during the press briefing. >> i'd ask if there is anything to this report. or anything that would knock down -- that interviews were faked in the bureau of labor statistics, on the unemployment numbers, is there anything -- >> i would refer you to census. that story is obviously misleading. i think a lot of people shed a lot of credibility in engaging in conspiracy theories last fall, about rigged jobs numbers. i have to tell you as somebody who has been here for a long time, when month after month after month the job numbers came in and later were revised upward, i sure didn't feel like they were helping us. >> what is your reaction to that mr. chairman? >> you know it is amazing that jay carney would talk about credibility, when he reads the script. and the script so often is simply not true. but having said that, look, we want to get to the bottom. we want to know if there is a problem at censu

we'll bring all that to you live, jay carney when he does brief. they clearly at the white house will be waiting to hear definitively that the situation is under control and whether this was a sole shooter or not, the um in of people injured. they will not want to go out until they have a pretty good handle on it. the first information clearly will come from the white house. homeland security now coordinating all of this. lisa monaco is the new counter-terror and national security deputy for this. the first woman to hold that post. she'll be reporting to the president directly and also through susan rice, the national security adviser. this is a white house that has been under siege politically. when things like this happen, everything stops. this becomes the top priority. right now knbc still -- kristen, i'm sorry, do you have more information? >> yeah, we just got this statement from the white house. i will read it to you. quote, the president has been briefed about the shooting at lax. we will continue to stay in touch with federal and local par

i just amazed that jay carney can keep from laughing when he does that stuff.s this will help republicans because republicans will be able to say the reputation for obama care by november of 2014 could be incredibly bad and keeping it as just this fear hanging over the electorate could help republicans. >>> we mark 50 years since the assassination of president john f. kennedy. thoughts about that day or his legacy since, charles? >> it reminds us how much our country have changed. people remember him saying "ask not," but what he also said we'll pay any price, support any friend, oppose any foe to insure the success of liberty. there aren't many democrats who would say that today, there aren't even a lot of republicans who would say that today. he was also the man who announced the moon shot and said we do these things not because they are easy but because they are hard. you don't hear that a lot today in washington. everything is done because it's easy. >> kirsten, do you think he would be traditionally viewed as a 2013 democrat? i mean, where do you think he

. >> reporter: yet at the white house, give successor jay carney would not acknowledge there had been a debate. >> it was not a point of debate that i participated in. >> reporter: as top white house advisers and allies continue to come up with new ways to insist the president was not wrong. >> if you had a plan before the affordable care act, you can keep it. >> reporter: in what amounts to a blame game for the insurance industry. >> insurance companies don't like the individual market as constructed. they see the future. that individual market is going away. they don't want to invest in it. the insurance companies are making that -- >> it's not the president. >> reporter: meanwhile, republican darrell issa released more internal meeting notes with one memo stating, quote, the paper applications allow people to feel like they are moving forward in the process. at the end of the day, we are all stuck in the same queue. that raises questions about claims made by the president himself that consumers can bypass the website and apply faster by phone. >> once you get on the phone with a tr

worked overtime. >> the problem is, jay carney was there and it wasn't a private conversation.a public conversation at the healthcare summit february 5th, 2010. sound bite we ran here on "special report." george, you know, it seems like the white house is having just a communication issue on getting their head around this whole thing and explaining it. >> well, they are in the uncomfortable position saying to fellow democrats who are you you going to defend me or your careers? because the negative ads at this point write themselves. my opponent voted against the bill that would enable you to et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. they have to stonewall. they have to say nothing can be voted on because there is no happy vote here for democrats. juan? >> i'm a little confused. i mean, obviously, everybody knew that there was going to be what is called churn in the insurance market as a result of the passage of obamacare. >> not everybody. >> that's the whole idea. >> he just apologized last week on nbc. >> no, the whole idea was that there was going to be a change in the market, the pe

>> you heard jay carney just say this is the first step. they call this temporary easing of sanctions. this carrot to get iran to the table. they say this is eminently reversible was the phrase that jay carney used yesterday, and if iran were to prove it is insincere and they were to drag their feet on inspections on making sure uranium is not being enriched to a weapon's grade quality, then they could go back and impose those sanctions yet again, and it's not just the people in the senate, benjamin netenyahu, the prime of israel have been very outspoken against this as have others. dell? >> mike, thank you very much. >>> virginia state police are investing a deadly attack at the home of an influential state senator, he was critically injured during the attack. another person was found dead. the richmond times dispatch reporting that person was deed's son. deed's unsuccessfully ran for governor in 2009. >>> lebanese officials say 23 people were killed in suicide attacks out of the iranian embassy in beirut. and an al-qaeda-linked group says

that is coming out of the jay carney press conference right now. he was asked whether or not he would be able to give the enrollment numbers. he said i cannot but cms would be able to do so later today. kathleen sebelius will have a 3:00 p.m. phone call with the press where she may release the first official numbers. jay carney saying the president has in strubstructed his team w regard to what kind of fix the obama administration may have for the health care debach the thus far. he went onto say it will be about options with regard to individuals who have had their plans cancelled because of the transition. we will continue to follow this for you. in the meantime we need to change gears now. because the 911 calls at a wild cat sanctuary have been released. i want to warn you that some of the sounds are disturbing. trace fwgallagher has the detai. >> reporter: they rescue abused and unwanted big cats. the opener is the one who is the one who discovered the body inside the enclosure. i will play both parts of the 911 call. you can hear when he calls

. >> jay carney said that the president was briefed on the report findings back in march this year. carney's admission con track dikts the president's. only latest example of the administration propensity to mislead and deceive the public.. in fact te president met with insurance industry executives and hhs secretary kathleen sebelius on april 12th of this year, just days after both became aware of the mckenzie findings. that's one insz nt. president obama told americans they can keep their doctors and their insuran if they liked them. at least 37 times, during. the president's campaign. we now know those statements are untrue. if obama care could have passed without those president untruths and whether he would have been re-elected. the president invoked executive privilege that would document eric holder's role in operation fast and furious. president obama said that he didn't know of irs' targeting of republicans. nsa spying of world leaders and the department of justice snooping on reporters. the obama administration lied to the american peoplehen they claimed repeatedly that a

problem. >> jay carney suggest that it could involve subsidies for one solution for those who can't afford the new plans they are being offered. former president vice cheney said that the president should keep his promise, but he doesn't believe that it can. >> i think that with obamacare, he ought to stick to his word. >> the personal information might not be secure. jay carney says that he was aware of a democrats fall for an investigation onto the website, but he criticized the administration's technology chief calling into the hill to interrupt interrupt his work. >> we had hoped jay carney complained that for obama officials have been on capitol hill and he suggested congressional oversight has become an oversight. lou: the obama administration today offering to fix health care.gov they still hope the site will be working smoothly for the vast majority of users by the end of the month and cms announced that it will reach out to 275,000 people who tried to access the website in the past and president obama invites them to try again. and the 11 million victims of the typhoon. onl

they haven't held jay carney accountable.ed on benghazi -- >> why do you say deceived versus the word lie? >> he lied. i will say it. i have no problem with the l-word. he lied and so did the president. where was the media holding jay carney accountable on benghazi, on obama care in the early stages when anyone with a functioning brain could see what was coming. reporters sat back not writing down anything. >> dana, i have known you a long time. you are a person of honesty and integrity. >> thank you. >> if the president went out and said again and again if you like your plan, keep your plan, and you were put in the position dr. >> i couldn't have done it. i wouldn't have allowed it. let me peel back the curtain. before the president gives a speech a draft goes to the offices. they go through a fact check process. i remember at least in the second term in particular we were just overdoing it sometimes to say, that's not quite accurate. but, you know, it will serve us well in the long run. remember the 16 words that was used?

jay carney wouldn't say which bill the president supports. considering the armed services chairman, carl levin and claire mccaskill are pushing their plan, how do you think this plays out? >> i don't think it's going to pass. she's going to need 60 votes. even if she does get 60 votes, getting that through a house senate conference committee is extremely grim. given the opposition from a lot of the defense hawks, from the pentagon to her proposal, there probably will be some changes to how the military prosecutes

jay carney, the spokesperson for the president just had a briefing.arently he was asked about when in fact this website will be fully functioning. remember, they gave out firm dates, did they not? they were going to give us numbers by november 15th and by the end of this month the site was going to be fully operational. now todayit will be operational by the end of this month for the vast majority. what do you make of that? >> maybe after christmas by the time we finally know. that's not a very good christmas present. i don't -- jay carney is doing the best he can under difficult circumstances. quite frankly, i don't have -- i don't think he has any voracity anymore. we're waiting until november 15th. we'll see. when that happens and it doesn't happen, then we know it'll be put off again. in the meantime, the thing to remember is that more people are losing their insurance than are signing up and that number is growing. it could be up to 50 million, now we get an estimate of 90 million, now we get the latest estimate of 129 people that would lose -- a

and jay carney would not deny a possible shakeup. the administration is lowering the bar by defing success to enroll in health care plan, which seems to bug even top democrats. >> it is not acceptable, but they are saying that and this includes the fixes to the website that they had anticipated, they have anticipated at least 80% by december 1 as we go forward in a has to be improved upon them. reporter: nancy pelosi went on to say that overall she still believes the law will work, only reaching 80% means up to 20% will still be unable to use health care.gov, bill jay carney suggest they can enroll by phone or mail. >> there'll be a significant amount of people who'll be fine anyway even though they went on the website trying to get health care and they don't and then they don't pay the penalty. >> this includes people who will have available to them other means. [inaudible] ♪ ♪ >> of course, the obamacare website problem. [laughter] [inaudible] >> yes, we still can. [laughter] reporter: in houston today, joe biden was talking about

that was not jay carney hair splitting this march report. the march report says there is trouble. >> exactly. six months before you got that contendsy and company coming in and there briefing them. the president included. hhs and say you have got real problems with this. and what carney is saying well, they told us they had these problems but they didn't tell us they had those problems. who was responsible for this? this is an ongoing domestic bay of pigs. when the bay of pigs happened, allen dulles was gone. kennedy said you you know in the british system, allen, i would go. he we are in the american system and you go. do we have any names of the individuals who are briefed and all knew these things and then are still sitting right in there on top of this. >> that's funny you should ask because ed henry did ask who it was that was briefed in march. and jay carney says a variety of officials involved in the effort. so, i mean, he admits the president was briefed regularly. but jay carney won't even identify who was previoused? who, what, whe

jay carney and jim, let's listen in. >> take advantage of marketplace plans that would reduce costs or keep costs the same. the president made clear that he feels like a fix was necessary. so he looks forward to the implementation of this and looks forward to working with congress on any sincere effort, good faith effort to make improvements to the affordable care act as we implement it. >> having announcing the fix yesterday and having this meeting today, didn't that put the cart before the horse? >> jim, i think it is absolutely the case that we have been in consultation with and have had numerous meetings with insurance companies over the course of the last several years with the drafting and passing and implementation of the affordable care act. those consultations continue. the president looks forward to the meeting he's having later this afternoon with insurers and will talk about ways we can work together to help people enroll through the marketplace and efforts we can make to minimize disruption for consumers as they transition to new coverage. >> given dpt numbers, the enrollm

press secretary jay carney says the president has asked for options, but not options that let people keep plan that say don't meet obama care standards. >> we do not see that as fixing the problem, we see that as throwing the baby out with the bath water. >> reporter: carney suggests one option might involve subsidies for people whose current insurance policies are being cancelled and who can't afford the new plans they're being offered. house speaker john boehner said that's not what clinton recommended. he said they should keep their old plans if they want even if it takes a change in the law. former vice president cheney says he agrees with mr. clinton that the president should keep his promise but he doesn't believe he can. >> it's hard to think how you would implement that. i think what needs to be done is repeal obama care. i think it's a serious, serious foul-up. >> reporter: meanwhile the white house admits the number of enrollments is lower than expected but refuses to confirm it's just a small fraction of the target. officials say warnings that personal information might no

i tried to ask jay carney, did the president misspeak, does he admit he goofed? fferent ways as you can. jay really just did not want to concede, and this white house is not ready to concede that the president misspoke, brooke. that is the bottom line here. they are defending what the president said throughout that entire run up to the passage of obama care. they're sticking to it at this point. they're basically saying, if people are losing their insurance, that's the fault of the insurance companies, not obama care. one thing jay carney did say, though, is that they are making a vow to the american people to fix this, to get this right so people who do lose their coverage can get on this website whenever it's up and running at full capacity and get insurance that will get them covered, brooke. >> and because of all of this, again, the number from gallup today, 39% in that approval rating. >> reporter: lowest since 2011. not good. >> not good. jim, thank you. >>> coming up next, senator rand paul facing accusations of plagiarism, now announcing changes inside his

and just the point jay carney was making is 5%. 5% is 14 million people. >> george?> someone has to tell the president it's not clever to be seen trying to be clever. in all the equivocations of politics, one tries to be economical in the use of the word "lie." it's hard to avoid the feeling that even if the president really didn't know on september 26 what was going to happen on the first of october, now he knows what he actually said then, and he's not telling the truth about what he said then. in the hearing today, lamar alexander held up an ipad that shows the website at the white house repeating the statement, if you like your health care, you can keep it. >> the hearing, you mentioned the hearing. the cms administrator testifying, and we talked about democrats speaking out about this, mary landrieu reading a cancellation on the senate familiar last night. this is from today. >> i believe that there has been a crisis of confidence created in the dysfunctional nature of the website, the canceling of policies and sticker shock from some people. how are we going to

jay carney was a little skushy on whether they support it. specifically they have not gotten behind any various bills pushing for changes. when you have democrats like mary landrieu and mark baucus you have to change things. there has to be a deadline beyond march 14th. these democrats facing the voters of 2014. the president doesn't face the voters again they do. they are pressuring this white house. that is like toy to change here. >> is there a truth they were handing out amode yum to incumbents because obamacare was stressing them out? >> i didn't hear that, greg. i am not sure how to respond. >> that's a good answer. >> republicans came with no votes in the united states house. none. >> why do they think for a minute these guys will end. >> the republicans made it clear from day one five years ago they were going to try to block everything the president does. they know that inside the white house. why do you think they pushed forward with the october 1st roll out. they knew weeks before when the tests were not working out if they had pul

jay carney suggest thread will not be a shakeup of the white house staff now but left the door open ton the road. >> the president has made clear, ever since we saw the problems we have had with the web site and with the roll out of the marketplaces, that he wants his team focused on making the necessary fixes, so that the american people are served well by the affordable care act and are able to receive the benefits it offers. >> now, jay carney went on to say that while this whole question of 80% of users being able to enroll is out there, there are other ways for people to enroll, such as sending it by mail or call big phone, although there's obviously questions about whether people can get through on the lines as well. >> a few of those. ed, thank you very much. millions kick off their current healthcare plans but lawmakers get keep theirs? citizens united president is trying to stop this. joining him, republican senator david visiter who has been fighting this for the same amount of team. gentlemen, good to have both of you. >> senator, it's just more of a cosmetic type issue, whe

. >> jonathan karl asked jay carney about the enrollment problems. here's some of that exchange. >> the answer is yes, as was reported widely at the time. the whole point is that c.m.f. is what g an account led to the bulk of issues. initially, on the launch of the marketplaces on october 1, you were not able to do that by phone. and in response to the trouble that users were having online, the unacceptable trouble they ere having, we bulked up the staffing of call centers and made it possible for individuals to call and enroll and sign up and bypass the creation of an account so that could be handled septemberers. the applications are processed through healthcare.gov and we it.working to fix the user experience was to alleviate the frustration that so many americans were having online and take that frustration away from them and allow a live person to handle their questions and their sign-ups and enrollment for them. it was a known fact at the time. we never pretended otherwise. as you know, because i know you talked to people about this that -- the

here's how jay carney responsed. >> we always listen to chairman cummings. i'm not aware of the specific comments that you're referring to, but i would simply say that he and others in congress who are strong supporters of obamacare and the affordable care act share in the president's frustration, and want as much as he does the problems to be fixed so the promise of the affordable care e act can be realized. >> concern not only from republicans but fellow democrats as well. >> libby casey, thank you very much. regarding what jay carney was saying today there is a report out that suggests the obama administration knew about the problems with the roll out of healthcare.gov as far back as march. administration officials admitted there were red flags about the site, and health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius was briefed on those problems just a few weeks before she testified in congress that everything was set for the roll out of the site. in any case as the website continues to develop and people sign up, a certain number of young healthy people

press secretary jay carney indicated that the white house is being kept apprised of this particular situationalso the social media has been providing interesting access as to what happened inside that terminal. we are now starting to see the first images from inside terminal three including this image that appears to show a rifle at the foot of the police officer that you see in the foreground there. that is the rifle that so many people have been describing, and it does appear based on that image to be an assault rifle. ines what is the latest? >> this is the latest of the scene. and it said inside lax terminal, possibly the gun used laying on the ground in front of the guard. and this is just one of the angles of what appears to be the scene that has been tweeted just minutes ago. we also want to show you what earlier jasmine tweeted this image. it appears to be the same scene and also josh earlier tweeted this image as well. dell? >> joining me by phone from sacramento james wedick a former fbi agent. mr. wedick we are seeing the images on tv. i'm going back to the image that showed the ri

so i can't for the life of me, i can't figure out how jay carney justifies this good for the insurers for setting their rates, when the rates are already set, in may. >> exactly. this saul about vois all about rebellion. obama care is having a dismal performance, a negative impact on democrats. frankly, it is not doing what it was supposed to do, which is create more opportunities for folks who desperately need insurance who need a path to affordable health care. it is not happening, which is tragedy number one. number two, the rollout is like a turtle. like a turtle rollout, no one's signing up. the fact of the matter they could extend the period to sign up first time, the initial enrollment to january and they would not get the 7 million young people to offset what we call adverse risk selection, those signing up with ple exi pre-existing conditions. they just can't get it done. >> voter rebellion. we asked about colleague rebellion. your colleague senator lindsey graham is up for re-election in the midterms. you were asked whether you'd endorse him or not. from what i read is that

unitedhealthcare. >>> right now jay carney talking about iran. >> pursue a diplomatic opening to see if it's possible to resolve this issue peacefully. >> any assurance secretary kerry can provide lawmakers on the hill when he speaks to them that would persuade them to hold off on tightening sanctions? >> secretary kerry and under-secretary of state for political affairs wendy sherman are briefing the senate banking committee tomorrow. that's part of a broader effort to consult with congress and update them on p5 plus 1 negotiations as well as our consultations with our allies. when it comes to the issue of new sanctions legislation, it's important to remember no one is suggesting an open ended delay for new sanctions because there may come a point where additional sanctions are necessary. at the same time it is important for congress to reserve ability to legislate in order to give p 5 s 1 negotiations the best chance of obtaining our goal, preventing iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. again, this is not about being for or against sanctions. this administration imposed the most c

things getting heated at the white house where press secretary jay carney is getting grilled right now about obama care and the revelation that paper applications are processed in the same queue as people trying to enroll on the website. so here's a bit of that give and take. >> you said you can bypass the website and apply by phone or in person and it can be done in 25 minutes. but these memos say at the end of the day, we are all stuck in the same queue because they all have to go through the same portal. >> john, i get it, but the person who calls isn't the one who continues to wait after the paper application is filled. >> your mocking is entertaining, but the president said you can apply within 25 minutes, that was not true. >> wow. senior white house foreign affairs correspondent wendell goeler live at the white house. kind of firework-y. >> that's jonathan carl challenging carney on the president's advice to people who were having trouble with the healthcare.gov website. he advised them to go on the phone and give their information or give their information to someone in person.

but in practice, that's sort of in theory, but in practice, we press jay carney on a bill that was asked about yesterday. and carney was squishy on whether or not they support it. they'll work with the republicans to change the law, but specifically, they have not gotten behind any of these various bills out there, pushing for changes. bottom line here, when you've got democrats like mary landrieu saying we've got to change this, there's going to be pushback on that deadline beyond the end of march 2014. it's sort of untenable because these democrats facing the voters in 2014. by the way, the president doesn't face the voters again, but they do. they are pressuring this white house and that's why this meeting came together today. that's likely to force a change here. >> ed, is there any truth to the rumor that they were handing out immodium to the incumbent because obama care was scaring the crap out of them? >> i will check that out. i actually didn't hear that, greg. i'm not sure how to respond. >> that's a good answer. >> republicans gave an absolutely no votes in the united states ho

. >> we delivered the definitive indictment against the president's chief spokesman, jay carney. >> iever lie. >> "hannity" starts right here. >> the president of the united states of america is trying the rewrite history tonight for the entire hour. we'll be joined by a spirited bipartisan spirited audience and we'll turn thing over to them. first i want to explain fully to you the american people how the administration will say and do anything to cover for lves. and as one veteran washington journalist aptly described it today, this white house is now lying about lies they told. here's why. last night during a speech, president obama instead of just manning up like a true leader and accepting responsibility that he was not truthful to you, the american people when he promised that could you keep your doctors and your plans. instead he said this. if you had one of these plans and you really liked that plan, what we said was you could keep it. if it hasn't change since the laws passed. >> if it hasn't change? that was president obama claiming that he never made sufficient a promise? i

jay carney is now answering reporter's questions. >> that have caused a lot of americans consternation. when they're dealing with website. and we're making sure that millions of americans who are looking for information about their health care options are able to get and able to register and enroll. you know, when it comes to that provision within the law, the grandfathered in plans that existed before the affordable care act was passed, that is what the president is referring to. he was also referring more broadly to the general principle and promise of the affordable care act, which is that if you're one of the 80% of americans who is insured or covered through an employer plan or through medicare or medicaid, you don't or the veterans administration, there is no change for you except for an increase this benefits. that everyone receives as a result of the affordable care act. if you're one of the 15% of americans who are uninsured, who's only recourse for health care is the emergency room, then you have nothing but better options because you have available to you potentially free or

the stability of website, jay carney says is improving.ce it does, they think there will be this huge relief that will sweep across the nation as people get on to the website, you know, it will be okay? i will have my health coverage. and it is plan, x, y and z. >> you still won't be able to have your own doctor. you might not even have your own hospital. you may have to travel a long way under the new exchange contract because half the hospitals haven't even signed up yet. you don't know. you will pay higher costs. you will have less access and, you know, you're not going to be secure in giving private information. you're going to be subject to identity theft. >> i gotcha. let me ask you this politically how do you think this is going to go? do you think this vote will pass in the house tomorrow, the fred upton proposal? >> i think it will pass in the house. i don't know whether it will be considered in the senate. i have my doubts about that. i have tend to think this law is going to continue to have more problems as people, you know, tr

that in just for jay carney. also, kelly, there was a report out that a top homeland security official said there had been 16 cyber attacks on the healthcare.gov website as well. you have hackers now also a part of this dynamic. >> reporter: is your personal information secure if it's placed there? and the hacking attempts we learned in a separate hearing, a look at the ability of outsiders to get in and muck up the works and prevent it from being useable, which would of course further hamper the plan going into effect. so cyber security is one of the issues we live with now. it puts this very massive system to a new test. a lot of lawmakers don't feel confident enough has been done to check out the different elements of what make the website work, to be sure they are secure, especially as fixes are added. so it's the functional side, the security side and policy side, and it was always a big, big issue and now we see it as a big, big issue in terms of just getting it going and it's a lot to chew on here. >> than

so in trying to cross examine that fact at the white house today, jay carney gets pressed. that was his answer, let me be clear. he was referring to the law, the law and the regulations and the grandfathering. and that tells us what about the white house, chris? >> it tells us that all of the people out there, and my heart goes out to people like ron fornier, and others like him, trying to hold the white house to account. and that at some point, the white house is going to say, we lied. it was a terrible mistake, we, by false trickery, we won the 2012 election, and we're sorry about that. and took your health care. but that is not going to happen. who was the president talking to? he was talking to the base of the base of the base of the base. government worker unions. he was talking to liberal activist groups. he was at his permanent campaign. this administration, this president. his political life tells us one thing since he has risen to the national stage, which is when in doubt, go to the base and bunker it out. so ron fornier, and others are saying this is bad, you are

he then accused jay carney and mr. park of making false statements to the american people by suggesting that officials' estimated capacity at about 60,000. that is what the chairman said. and i quote, jay carney is being paid to say things that aren't so. but in this case, todd park and other people who knew the facts, who had to know the facts, and the facts were from documents we received from lead contractors that slowed down to an unacceptable level at 1,100 users. well, in fact, todd park was telling us that at 60,000 was the target, and that 250,000, they just couldn't handle it, unquote. as the basis for that allegation, the chairman quoted from a testing document that he released, which says this. and i quote from the document. quote, ran performance test overnight. working with cgi to tune the ffm environment to be able to handle maximum load. currently we are able to reach 1,100 users before response time gets too high. mr. chao, it is my understanding that the imp 1-b environment was only a sample testing en

jay carney was asked about this hearing. i guess he had to subpoena todd park the chief obama care website guru and we heard about whether or not mr. park will actually be there? >> what is your understanding. we are assuming that he will be there and fulfill the subpoena that has come to him personally. every time we ask a question, this say it is someone else. stop finger pointing and determine who is running the ship. it seems like it is always someone else's fault. contract administration and hhs did that or the irs. let's get everyone together. you are being blamed too. some democrats are saying we should let todd parks stay at his seat to continue to fix the website. there is a picture of the website there. instead of testifying and giving answers to the american people. >> it is a fascinating response. this is not his project and now it is that he is so important that he can't step away for a couple of hours. it is not difficult to come over for a couple of hours. if he is sitting down and coding everything he is not.