vice president or president, but i would refer you to the vice president's office. >> that was jay carney back in 2014, and that is their response to hunter biden serving on the board. the vice president then as we know as he's talked about travels to ukraine to put more pressure on the then president poroshenko to fire shokin, and at the time what is happening with this perception, the optics of him serving on this board while the president -- while the vice president is making this push? >> i mean, it's not great optics, right? you have the son of the vice president on the board of a major ukrainian gas company, and you really can't over estimate the importance of gas energy in both the ukrainian economy, the ukrainian business, but also ukrainian politics. so it's certainly not great optics, but you know, genagain, there's no evidence that's come to light that hunter biden has been involved in any wrongdoing and the bidens have been consistent on that. it's not clear that joe biden discussed it with his son. i believe he said to him i hopedown whhope you know what you're doing. that as

washington, and for them to have as their spokesman, you know, highly, highly partisan person like jay carneysay things like, that quote you just showed from carney, i mean he is basically challenging the president's patriotism. i mean it is one thing to disagree with the president's policies. i do that all the time. not this one, previous's presidents, but i never questioned barack obama's patriotism. i just think it is above the pail. i think it is bad business for amazon. get rid of carney, someone who is more politically center. neil: everyone, you and i talk about this. you're entitled to your political views. everyone a brain is entitled to a point of view. that's fine. but when you are in that role, representing a large company on the, in the international scene and one of the premier national players, there are certain things you can and cannot do or should and shouldn't do, this falls in that category. i wonder, the president already makes hay of the fact that bezos owns "the washington post." those are his personal funds, not amazon funds, i understand that, but there is already a s

jay carney, obama's press secretary, doesn't feel the white house is working in the best interest ofntry says virtually with no exception, everyone i dealt with in previous administrations, whether i personally agreed or disagreed with the right policy decisions or way to approach things, i never doubted they were patriots. i don't feel that way now. comment of where the country is now. >> yes and a very strong statement from amazon they have been the president's punching bag his entire tenure, has taken it by taking blows this is clearly a deliberate move to say okay, we're going to dig in here. jay carney is the perfect one to comment, he worked in the white house, can comment on the prior administration this is obviously a deliberate move interesting to see where it goes from here. >> neil, what message do you think it sends people who are in the president's camp are going to dismiss this, not only as somebody from amazon but somebody that worked in the obama administration, but people in tech and tech policy that might be sympathetic to this position, people that watched amazon n