jay newton small joins me as well as alieliza collins. all right, ladies, you've seen the pictures.me your initial snapshot thoughts of what we're seeing and why we're seeing it to this extent. you've got almost 20,000 people walking in that counterprotest to the free speech rally. you know, it's made up of all sorts of people. it's not just one group. there's black lives matter and there's the anti-fascist movement and every other group you can imagine, they say. give me your thoughts on the snapshot of this. >> alex, i think this is part of a larger struggle that's been going on frankly in american culture for years. when i went down to charleston two years ago to do a "times" cover story on the massacre in the mother emanuel church of the nine bible study church goers by a white supremacist, if you'll remember the confederate flag in south carolina then came down off of the property and that was what i think really began this debate about confederate symbols, confederate flags, confederate statues across the south. but that was a larger conversation of black lives matter, of tray