jay rosen is a professor, press critic, and leading proponent of new media. clarence page is a pulitzer-prize-winning writer and longtime columnist for the "chicago tribune." welcome to you both. >> thank you. >> we take this term "citizen journalist," and we dance it out, and we stomp on it, and we criticize it, and we celebrate it. what exactly is a citizen journalist, jay? >> well, it starts with the people formerly known as the audience. >> the people formerly known as the audience? >> yes, and when the people formerly known athe audience use the tools that they now have to inform one another, that's citizen journalism. >> is that all it is, clarence? >> i prefer the term "non-traditional journalist" because there's us old-school media types, you know, that you learned about in school--newspapers, magazines, et cetera. but non-traditional journalists now because technology is changing so fast and people are finding new ways of covering news and making news and commenting on it. >> you consider yourself a professional journalist, right? >> i'm both, really