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a few things there from jay sekulow. kind of sounds like he's falling on the sword, saying i made a mistake, i misspoke. then to the issue of legality, he says a meeting of this nature, talking about of adoption, that's not legal or is he talking about just meeting period, whether there's dirt or whether it's about adoption? >> right. so a couple things. first, isn't it refreshing to have jay sekulow instead of rudy giuliani? but secondly, to your exact point, the meeting itself can be illegal or legal depending. >> depending objen the content? >> depending on the content and the purpose. under the federal election law, if you knowingly and willfully endeavor to receive a donation or a thing of value from a foreign national, that can be a crime. the facts here could reach that. similarly, if you conspire with others to defraud the federal election commission of their rights to run fair elections, that could be a crime. so to answer jay's question, there are two crimes on paper that could fit the facts here. whether a pro

jay sekulow can say whatever he wants, but he is the attorney for the president. we have to be able to rely on the president's lawyer and the president's spokesperson when they make a statement he has misled the public. that comes in the context of his continued attempts to undermine the mueller investigation, not only the mueller investigation, to just recently put out a tweet saying he thinks jeff sessions should end this entire investigation, he has under mined the intelligence agencies, 19 intelligence agencies that said that russia interfered with our election. so all of this is in that context. and if you look at the fact that he is now, it's not clear whether he's going to sit down with robert mueller or not, you have to ask what is he afraid of. and if he refuses to sit down with robert mueller, and he does get subpoenaed, then obviously this case goes all the way to the supreme court. this is, you know, this is a very, very serious challenge to our democracy, frankly, and to the truthfulness of this administration. >> let me ask you about the fact that in

you saw jay sekulow trying to explain what happened here with this tweet. geoff, i want to go broad here, if i could. what does this moment say about the way this president takes advice or uses advice, be that legal advice or policy advice? this is at the end of a week in which we saw five senior members of his national security staff come out and say one thing and then the president saying another, geoff. >> and david, remember, donald trump already lost at least one member of his legal team, john dowd, in part because mr. dowd thought the president wasn't fully taking into account his advice. thought he was ignoring him. so he left the legal team. so certainly keep that in mind when you see rudy guiliani and jay sekulow out here giving conflicting information from weekend to weekend about what the president may or may not do, david. >> geoff, thank you very much. appreciate it as always. geoff bennett joining us from the white house. i want to turn to my panel. joyce, let me start with you. bearing in mind, you're not an expert on election law, but i want

we just heard from jay sekulow. you're also the author of "gaslighting america."anted to get that out there as well. we just heard jay sekulow and this has been part of the pattern for the whole week. collusion didn't happen. if it did happen it's not a problem. nothing to see there with the trump tower meeting. will that hold up? >> we're going to see how the facts play out, george. lawyers argue the alternative all the time. there was no collusion, but even if there was, there's no crime. this is not unusual. there was a lot of hubbub when mayor giuliani said it for the first time. it's lawyers arguing the alternative. what's going to matter is what the facts turn out to be and -- >> that's what i wanted to get to and what i was getting to with jay sekulow. the president is arguing that even if this meeting was set up with the russians, that's not a problem at all. that is illegal, isn't it? >> the president as we know is not an attorney, and so the ability for his attorneys to be able to make the argument they need to make on his behalf as i've told them for a

. >> so you also have jay sekulow on the show today, he's a key member of trump's legal team. it's a big week for trump as far as deciding if he's going to participate in the special investigation. any indication as to how -- >> we're going to ask him about that, whether he's going to agree to an interview. they've been dragging out these negotiations for months so far. we did report earlier this week that special counsel robert mueller has agreed to limit some questioning but still wants to also stick to some questions about obstruction of justice as well. we're heading into the end game on that decision, and it's really a game of chicken now between the president and robert mueller. who's going to back down first. will the president submit to an interview or will he tough it out and force the possible subpoena from robert mueller. that's a big decision for mueller as well. but it's one of the questions that we're going to ask jay sekulow today and also talk about that new reporting in "the washington post" this morning that one of the things that may have precipitated the pr

jay sekulow and rudy giuliani hosted the the radio show yesterday and devoted the entire broadcast to reuping their argument the investigation is a witch hunt. they talked about again a sit down between the president and the mueller team and why certain questions should be off the table. one of those involves james comey's allegations that the president asked him to let go the investigation into michael flynn. >> no crime. if -- if it had been said the president says go easy on hi him. >> which the president says. >> he didn't say stop it, don't do it. so no crime. however, it didn't take place according to the president. according to comey it did. >> of course if it did it wouldn't have matter but then you -- but you're right, if there's two different recollections of a meeting now you set up a perjury situation. >> also new today amarosa is under fire for appearing to contradict herself over whether she actually heard the president use a racial slur. she was told about the existence of the so-called n word tape recorded during outtakes of the apprentice tv show years ago but in an i

here is more from jay sekulow on the sunday morning talk shows. >> says the meeting is totally legal and done all the time. according to the e-mail that robert mueller has, this was a meeting to get information from the crown prosecutor of russia on hillary clinton's campaign. how is that legal? >> the question is how would it be illegal? the real question is would a meeting of that nature constitute a violation of the law. >> reporter: critics have pounced on this making the argument that the administration and president is moving the goal posts. we should point out despite a repeated number of calls from the president and his allies for this investigation to wrap up and in the words of rudy giuliani from robert mueller to put up or shut up, this investigation is moving forward. last week, cnn reported that the special counsel is making efforts to interview one key person in that trump tower meeting. the one that helped facilitate the meeting. the russian pop singer whose father has deep ties to vladimir putin. we do know that robert mueller and his team have been working alongside

about russian adoption now we are hearing as well from trump's lawyers one of his many lawyers jay sekulow that discussion is ongoing about whether or not president trump will sit down for an interview with the special counsel robert miller an interview that the council is likely to press for even harder given the news of this latest tweet by president trump however jay sekulow also insisted that idea of a subpoena of a sitting president was absolutely unheard of saying that should such a subpoena be served it would go all the way to the supreme court and would most likely fail to bring president trump to the interview table but incidentally as well that same lawyer jay sekulow admitted during that interview that he also lied last year when he said that that trump tower meeting involved russian adoption not russian collusion. political parties in cambodia are contesting the results of the july twenty ninth poll which saw the prime minister who sends a ruling party achieve an absolute victory and took all one hundred twenty five seats available a complaint has been filed with the constituti

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jay sekulow and mayor rudy giuliani. how about that? giuliani and sekulow. >> isn't that nice? >> that is. we can start all kind of speculation. >> sure, speculation that the president's lawyers are trying to become the next famous duo like an abbott and costello. listen to some of the questions that rudy and jay decided to take from callers. >> speaking in regards to hillary clinton, we have proof of that. and why are we not pursuing that? why is not ag sessions pursuing those criminal acts? >> you got a little ring going on there? either you're keeping a really steady beat or you got -- right, or a click or you got your wipers on, it's one of the two. >> i just got to know that after this is over, that you guys are really going to drop the hammer on some of these people. i mean, comey, mila, all these other people. >> look, i have some experience with government officials that have not done appropriate conduct. >> they should be looking and investigating and charging barack obama with abuse of power. >> what do you think? >> i want to jump -- i would agree with you, it is cry

trump attorney jay sekulow. he does join us with exclusive details and mainstream media breathlessly declaring last night's election results are a total wipeout for the president. but they may very soon regret that one. plus, the ninth circuit's runaway judges are added again with yet another attempt to dismantle our nation's justice system. we will tell you all about it, but first, the left's effort to remake america, that's the focus of tonight's "angle." every once in a while, leftists will slip up and tell us what they really think about america. in a recent interview, new york's new social estate grown grapes that older democrats in congress aren't doing more to support a new crop of progressive candidates. >> a lot of these folks were in their political heyday in the third way 90s politics. i think that politically this upper-middle-class is probably more moderate, but that upper-middle-class doesn't exist anymore in america. their heyday was in the 90s when kids had, like furby's and two vans and soccer m

jay sekulow talking about this on his own radio show. i mean this is all meant for public consumption. it's true that the president himself is ambivalent about this. yes, part of his self-creation, myth, is his ability to convince anyone of anything to the room. the other side of that, the other part of that pathology is the sense of grievance. the fact he's being treated unfairly. he also views this entire thing as he tells us almost daily on a witch hunt. his sense of -- >> let me stop you because it raises an interesting question. if the president really does believe, and i think most folks do buy into this, he believes he can convince anybody of anything. it's why, right, he went to sit down with leaders of authoritarian countries. because he thought he could change the equation just by a face-to-face meeting. are his lawyers worried? are the people around him who don't want him to talk to mueller worried that in a split moment, he can agree to something just because that part of his personality becomes dominant? >> yes, the dominant

president trump's attorney, jay sekulow. great to see you.on of gregg jarrett and judge pirro and every other attorney. joe did jenna, i've talked to, almost every attorney. can you get us an update? >> the first thing you have to do is start with this proposition, the depth of corruption that led to this investigation and frankly continues to permeate this investigation is unprecedented. so you have to start with that. the clarity, you have to start with the question whether the president would sit for an interview. and, the legal team has been pretty clear on this in the last couple weeks, other than that our position is not a constitutional basis to move that forward. the article to power of the presidency is very clear, and the idea that you have a series of questions involving the president's motives for particular actions as it relates to article two power frankly be inappropriate in our view, unconstitutional. then you ask yourself, does that answer your question? the president stated that he wants to do an interview. the position of t

july 2017, jay sekulow, says he was not aware of the meeting. the "times" report that trump knew about the meeting and monday, rudy giuliani had a chaotic interview on cnn which you only say that trump did note participate. this leg of the story does inch closer to the press, does it? >> all of these inconsistencies in the public, we can develop an immune system that we are just used to it now. that does not work with the prosecutor. make a false statement and even if it is not under oath. they got you for section, they love charging that even if ultimately there is no under lining crime. as much as we are accustoms to the extent of any of those statements are made. this could be very problematic for team trump. >> the key part of what donald trump knew and when he knew it is the drafting of that statement on air force one. here is how jay sekulow defended it or talked about it i guess just yesterday. >> i think it is very important to point out that in a situation like this, you have overtime facts developed. >> i am sorry. as why collar defens

jay sekulow hosts his own program weekly. but to be using the platform of a fox news radio host is kind of remarkable and really does go to talk to and speak to how this relationship between the president and fox news really is so cozy at times. but in terms of the substance of that three-hour program, i think it's very similar to what we've heard already from the president's legal team. that they don't believe that the president committed any crime. that there's also justice department guidance. and article two of the constitution they argue that it prevents investigators from interrogating a sitting president of the united states. and the president would have to do that voluntarily. and they said again they're advising the president against sitting down with robert mueller and his team. and that's consistent that the president did want to have input as part of his investigation and that's certainly something that his legal team is concerned about. >> it's got to be that the lawyers from his point have got to get on to the n

but now jay sekulow saying if subpoenaed, they will fight it out in court. the legal battle will drag out the investigation that's been going on for more than a year. the president saying he wants the investigation wrapped up now. >> tara, thank you. >>> now to the case in the nation's heartland, a 20-year-old vanishing while out on a jog. her family reporting her missing more than two weeks ago. the fbi tonight focusing on what local residents may know, including a farmer with a criminal past. here's stephanie ramos. >> reporter: tonight, authorities intensifying their search for 20-year-old mollie tibbetts. federal investigators interviewing residents in and around the town of brooklyn, iowa. one of those people, 56-year-old wayne cheney, who lives in a trailer home about 500 yards from a pig farm that was searched by investigators over a week ago. cheney tells abc news the fbi questioned him friday. he has a criminal past, convicted for stalking and harassment but he says he never met mollie or her family. and he has not been named a person of interest. i

here is what that same lawyer, jay sekulow, said about it today. >> i had bad information at that time. i made a mistake in my statement. i talked about that before. that happens when you have cases like this. i think it's very important to point out that in a situation like this, you have over time facts develop. that's what investigations do. >> cnn without correspondent boris sanchez is in berkeley heights, new jersey, where the president is spending his summer break. boris, why are we again talking about this trump tower meeting? >> reporter: hey, ana. because that trump tower meeting is central to the rush investigation. it also acknowledges that the president is focused on recent reporting from cnn and others that indicates he's becoming increasingly concerned that this russia probe is getting closer to his family, namely his son, donald trump jr., and son-in-law jared kushner. sources have told cnn that that concern on behalf of the president is leading him to become more aggressive and agitated in his attacks against the special counsel, more directly going after robert mueller

in the past couple hours, we've heard from rudy giuliani and jay sekulow. ed henry is following the develop must. it's a fox move that night exclusive interview with u.s. ambassador to the united nations, nikki haley. we are there with her life. tough talk on iran and the latest on efforts to denuclearize north korea. later president trump expects giant red wave in november. the is he seeing something the experts are missing? welcome to "fox news @ night." i'm shannon bream in washington. as president trump's team of attorneys response to robert mueller's latest offer for a sitdown interview with the president, the negotiations of been going on for months. tonight there seems to be some movement. the ball is now in mueller's court. we've got team coverage on all our top story tonight. trace gallagher covering new sanctions imposed on russia. correspondent rich edson live in colombia with an expose of interview with ambassador nikki haley. we begin with chief national correspondent ed henry following late-breaking developments. >> great to see you. rudy giul

and jay sekulow falling on the sword. bottom line is all of this now is about protecting the family. no longer just about protecting the president. >> that's what it looks like. i'm not -- i may be a bit cynical. i'm not 100% convinced that if it came down to -- >> what part are you cynical about? >> all of it. whether or not it came down to producti protecting donald trump jr. or himself. even the statement that donald trump jr. didn't know about any of this or it was perfectly legal, he's still saying he didn't know anything. he, the president, didn't know anything. i thought it was interesting jay sekulow did what rudy giuliani had to do, which was say, i spoke without knowing the facts. i have a feeling this is not the last version of the truth we're going to hear. i think more is going to come out. each time something comes out, they change their story. what's refreshing is sekulow and giuliani at least say, i didn't have all the facts, which is better than saying my client lied to me. but i do think that what's goin

there were plenty of people who could have given a jay sekulow that information. he either went on to be a political lawyer and didn't do any homework before he lied on television or said something that turned out to be not true, or again, he's just like them and every time you get caught, you're going to change your story. >> i think this is less a reflection of this case and more a reflection of the clients that they have here. trump is known in a political setting, in a business setting for sort of changing what he says depending on who he's talking to. he's done it for years. so the fact that shehe's doing now in some ways isn't a surprise, but the stakes are so much higher, and he's putting people, his own attorneys and advisers, in terrible positions to go out and defend things that he himself later comes out and admits are different. >> it's also absolutely emblematic of the lack of discipline in the president's team. it's shifted, different people have been in and out of that team, but they've all been characterized by a lack of any discipline you normally

did jay sekulow do the lying for his client, if in fact he knew the truth? if either of those are true, then why and how do you fix that moving forward. >>> i think that's a question the president's legal team would be asking. right now the president's lawyers are focused though on what is happening with the special counsel investigation and specifically this request from robert mueller to be able to have enter actions to peek with president trump. we know based on our reporting at this unit that today or tomorrow is likely when rudy giuliani and the president's legal team plans to be able to submit a response to the special counsel team. so that is potentially the next shoe to drop here. that is much of the focus. >> phil rucker, you wrote a story about what's going on privately, the president privately broading and roaring out loud. you said he confided to forensic and advisors he is worried the mueller probe could destroy the lives of innocent and decent people, namely trump jr., who is under scrutiny by mueller in organizing this june 26 meeting at trump

jay sekulow says this is not a demand from the president. rudy giuliani says the president's tweet s was carefuly worded so he's making it not a command. two of the president's lawyers saw this tweet and saw the opportunity to clarify it. they're making sure that the tweet does not read according to some people are reading it. they recognize how problematic it would be if it is interpreted as a command. we can add this to a long list of tweets that the president have said. >> matt miller, what's your analysis. >> aaron is right. >> this is a red line for the president to interfere into the investigation. he's not crossing the red line, he crossed it a long time ago. >> this is not another. >> he's living on the other side of the red line at this point. when you look at what the president said, it will be powerful evidence along with everything else he said publicly and privately in trying to shut down this probe. going back to the dates and just after he was inaugurated have taken steps sometimes publicly and sometimes privately that this pr

jay sekulow with his other attorney also came out this wee week.id basically we didn't accept the offer from a special counsel that they presented in terms of the parameters for those questions. which leads to the question once again, when you hear all of thi this, lots were rudy giuliani and jay sekulow. we have to wonder the message -- >> what more is donald trump going to say? has answered all of -- do you agree with rudy giuliani's point there? >> i do. the problem is he walks in some something unintentionally or unintentionally intentionally that's not true on a completely unrelated matter and it ends up being a perjury trap. the president has -- it's not like he's been quiet about this stuff. he has opined about every aspect of the investigation, the people involved in the investigation. if mueller would just be satisfied with an interrogation via twitter that he would have all of his answers. >> the fact is the president keeps changing his stories on the trump tower meeting for example so we don't know exactly, we can't say that we know exac

here is rudy guilliani and jay sekulow defending their client, the president. >> flynn is the exampleno crime. if it had been said, the president says, go easy on him. >> which the president says, you know, he said -- >> he didn't say stop it, don't to it. so, no crime. however, it didn't take place according to the president. according to comey it did. now, we have -- >> of course, if it did, it wouldn't have mattered, but you're right. if there's two different recollection goes of a meeting, now you set up a perjury situation. >> correct. >> joining me is ned price, former assistant to president obama and national security analyst. also with me is guy lewis, a former u.s. attorney. let me start with you, guy, giving context to the audio we just heard. the president's attorneys not busy enough, decided to fill in for their friend sean hannity on his radio show, a chance to hear them talking about the case and what they think the grounds are for any criminality. let me get your perspective on that. this has been a week in which they filled in for sean hannity. there was a moment earli

jay sekulow had a radio show. here is jay sekulow interviewing rudy giuliani, his boss as the attorney. listen. >> mayor, i know you've said and i've said we want to see this come to closure soon here. mayor? >> yeah, we do. it's about time that it ends. i also think, and i hope the special counsel is as sensitive to it as we are. we do not want to run into the november elections. so back up from that. this should be over with by september 1st. >> is that a threat? >> look, it's throwing everything at the wall and trying to see what sticks. i think everything that's said here is correct. this is a political messaging campaign, but it's not without peril, right? everything rudy giuliani said sort of reveals what the legal team is afraid of. they're talking about a perjury trap, how this would be a perjury trap. first of all, that's like saying put your wallet in your pocket is a robbery trap to a thief that walks by. you can't perjure yourself if you don't lie. so they're afraid that he's going to lie. they're talk

it's a side whshow what jay sekulow is saying. what's not a side show is the special counsel's posture in all of this, bob mueller's posture in all of this. as he goes through the motions of watching this do this side show, he has put himself in a position where he can say, we have given them every opportunity. we have been open to negotiations. we've been willing to put some things in writing to limit the scope. i want to be in a position where we've given them every opportunity to be reasonable, and now when i make the move, if he does make the move to subpoena the president of the united states, this will not have been a side show for him because he's playing a very serious game. this is where it's going to come to, is the question of does bob mueller decide that it is imperative, that he must get donald trump in front of a grand jury and get questions answered? if it is imperative where it's worthwhile to delay the investigation, have it take additional months and maybe lose in court because we don't know what the supreme cour

now incidentally as well that very lawyer jay sekulow admitted in that interview that he in fact lived last year when he said that the meeting that took place and was to discuss russian adoption he says in the interview that he was given the wrong information at the time mike thank you. saudi arabia has frozen all new trade and investment transactions with canada accusing it of interference in the arrest of human rights activists saudi state media is reporting that the canadian ambassador to riyadh has been given twenty four hours to leave it follows a tweet by the canadian embassy in saudi arabia on saturday which said canada is deeply concerned about additional arrests of civil society and women's rights activists in saudi arabia including some are but we urge the saudi authorities to immediately release them and all of the peaceful human rights activists. what some are but always a sister of rife but who has been in a saudi jail since twenty twelve for criticizing the government his wife has lived in quebec with their three children since twenty thirteen and they just became canadia

jay sekulow said days after the story broke, the president wasn't involved. months later trump's attorneys admitted in a memo sent to robert mueller the president dictated it. on whether trump knew about the trump tower meeting in the first place, the official party line is trump knew nothing about it. that's what donald junior testified to before the senate judiciary committee back in september. of course now nbc news is reporting trump's former fixer michael cohen is prepared to tell robert mueller donald trump did know about the meeting beforehand. let's a lot of flips and flops with the president and his legal team which raises a key question on their outstanding claims that nothing came of the direct offer from russian nationals to offer damaging information on hillary. do we still believe that to be true or is that a known unknown? robert mueller has indicted close to two dozen russians. almost everyone in the trump orbit has a lawyer and is either a witness or a subject of an investigation. and it seems like it's a known unknown whether or not they gle

about russian adoption now we are hearing as well from trump's lawyers one of his many lawyers jay sekulow that discussion is ongoing about whether or not president trump will sit down for an interview with the special counsel robert miller an interview that the council is likely to press for even harder given the news of this latest tweet by president trump however jay sekulow also insisted that idea of a subpoena of a sitting president was absolutely unheard of saying that should such a subpoena be served it would go all the way to the supreme court and would most likely fail to bring president to the interview table but incidentally as well that same lawyer jay sekulow admitted during that interview that he also lied last year when he said that that trump tower meeting involved russian adoption not russian collusion. government leaders in northern iraq say ice will sleeper cells remain a threat but a recent attack there isn't a sign of the group's revival the iraqi government declared victory of isolate months ago by the attack on the kurdistan regional government h.q. two weeks ago kil

joining us is a president's attorneyt jay sekulow.ery same question of gregg jarrett and judge pirro, and every other o attorney i talked to come almost every attorney is universal and saying absolutely not. can you give us an update? >> sure, the first thing is look, you have to start with this. the depth of corruption that led to this investigation and frankly continues to permeate thisn investigation is unprecedented. you have to start with that. you mentioned in the earlier segment, the irregularity -- that is being kind -- of what took place here. you have to start with the question of whether the president was fit for an interview with the proposition, is there a constitutional basis on which that interview can take place? frankly, it is the position of the legal team and we have been clear on this in the last couple weeks that our position is that there is not a constitutional basis to move an interview forward. what i mean by that is the article to power of the president is very clear. at the idea that you have a series of que

. >> jay sekulow tempered expectations of any interview. saying there is quote a steep hurdle. the legal team has concerns about questions. axios quote there are two topics the president's lawyers want to rule out in order to agree to a trump sit down with mueller. number one, why trump fired fbi director james comey. peter baker, we have seen donald trump cycle through lawyers before and through all sorts of advisers and people in his inner circle. what is your sense behind the scenes trump's relationship with rudy giuliani, with jay sekulow. is he hughing to what he says. >> the president wants in a lawyer, is somebody to get out there and fight and say things that may not be the things that other lawyers would say. to get out on television and to challenge and stir up the political waters if you will. that is what rudy giuliani is doing. he is doing what the president wants him to do. that may not be the best strategy. it may be that another lawyer who has gone through these high profile cases want this kind of advice. the president wanted to be out there and mixing it up an

so that's a dry hope. >> the other thing we hear in the radio interview from giuliani and jay sekulow of a perjury trap. that they believe that they don't want to have the president in perjury. >> one other point that was in his mind, the firing of james comey, that was something he had the right under the constitution do and in any event, obstruction of an fbi investigation is not obstruction of justice within the meaning of the statute. it may sound odd but it's not and the u.s. attorney's manual is very clear on that. there's case law. obstruction statutes don't cover that so even if that was his intent -- which i doubt because the investigation went on, that wasn't being conducted by comey in any event. that isn't covered. to your next question. >> let's play what giuliani was saying or sekulow saying about the idea of a perjury trap. >> we're walking him into a possible perjury trap not because he isn't telling the truth but because somebody else isn't telling the truth who they would credit, namely comey. so if he says i never had the conversation with flynn and they elect to be

the president's lead outside counsels, rudy guliani and jay sekulow felt it necessary to clarify what the president said. jay sekulow saying "the president did not issue an order or directive to the department of justice." rudy guliani saying "it's been month that we want this investigation come to an end and the president has expressed the same opinion." a very specific word that the president used. he said sessions should bring an end to this rigged witch hunt. he didn't say i'm ordering him to or i told him to or whatever else. again, adam schiff of the house intelligence committee said this is obstruction of justice. chris coons, democrat of delaware, didn't go that far. susan collins of maine didn't like it either. listen here. >> it's ridiculous. if the president is innocent, he should act like it. he should cooperate with the mueller investigation, have it go through its logical conclusion and have his name cleared. if he's convinced he's innocence, trust our rule of law. that's what he should do. >> there's no cause for firing mr. mueller. i don't think it's going to happen. t

hannity's tv show and then he appeared on the radio show hosted by the president's other lawyer jay sekulow other fox news shows like "fox & friends" and then giuliani and sekulow capped off the week by teaming up and guest hosting hannity's raise owe program and yes they took callers. >> it's very clear obama should be charged. the department of justice is being lack in its responsibility right now. they should be looking into investigating and charging barack obama with abuse of power. >> what do you think? >> i would agree with you it's crying out for an investigation. >> so perhaps we have to leave aside the fact that the president -- former president is no longer in power so unclear on where the abuse of power charge will come from but john harwood, at one point -- i guess the lines don't exist anymore. >> it's sad that that is what passes as a legal team for the president of the united states that they are yucking it up on radio shows. rudy giuliani says one ridiculous thing after the other. contradicts himself, says collusion isn't a crime, i looked. it's impossible to take them seri

>> he's watching the clock, brian, he knows a week ago he and jay sekulow sent a letter to mueller and refusing an interview by the president that had anything to do with questions of obstruction of justice, they're waiting for mueller to respond. they're trying to see if mueller is going to issue a subpoena for the president and preparing for that scenario writing a rebuttal >> bob, i would like to begin with you, you spoke with mayor rudy giuliani earlier today, what is his state of mind and what did he infer of the state of play? >> he's watching the clock, brian, he knows a week ago he and jay sekulow sent a letter to mueller and refusing an interview by the president that had anything to do with questions of obstruction of justice, they're waiting for mueller to respond. they're trying to see if mueller is going to issue a subpoena for the president and preparing for that scenario writing a rebuttal now so it is ready so they can issue immediately to start a court fight and tight at the district court level and ultimately at the supreme court level. >> counselor, where is this lev

the president's attorney over the weekend jay sekulow blames bad information for his role.dent wasn't involved in that misleading statement about the meeting. and now he says this. >> i think it's very important to point out that in a situation like this you have, over time, facts develop. that's what investigations do. >> let's all together remember how the shifting showers evolved since this trump tower meeting. the initial line from team trump was there was no meeting. remember this meeting took place back in june of '16. not a peep on it. and then this from don jr. nine mants after it happened. this is what he says, quote, did i meet with people that were russian? i'm sure. i'm sure i did. but none that were set up and certainly none that i was represent senting the campaign in any way, shape or form. in july of last year the "new york times" broke the story. the story became okay yes there was this meeting but it was on russian adoptions or more accurately sanctions. very soon after, the trump team was then forced to fess up that the meeting was actually to get dirt on

the president's lawyer jay sekulow denies mr. trump had any involvement in releasing that statement. but on august 1st, the story flips. white house press secretary sarah sanders admits the president, quote, weighed in on that statement. later, donald junior tells the senate judiciary committee in september he doesn't recall the details of any white house involvement but says he never spoke to his father about the initial statement. and then in a major flip in january of this year, the president's lawyers tell the special counsel robert mueller in a letter that mr. trump dictated the statement himself. fast forward to late last month, cnn reporting that michael cohen is willing to tell the special counsel that the president did know about the 2016 trump tower meeting in advance despite numerous denials from president trump and his team. and that brings us up to speed. the president now admitting the meeting was designed to get information on an opponent, but once again claiming he did not know about it. now jay sekulow admits he

then on friday, giuliani stepped in with jay sekulow to guest-host sean hannity's radio show.e have questioned these decisions and others including "vanity fair" abigail tracy who wrote an article entitled giuliani's screw ball legal strategy is more dangerous than it seems. abigail is here with us. i know you chose your words carefully, first of all, screwball and dangerous. what is screw saand bascrewball? >> i think what the rounds that you've seen is him becoming more unhinged in his statements and sort of the claims that he's making. i think in a huge part of it is not only a legal strategy as much as a pr strategy, it's kind of taking advantage of the silence council robert mueller and using his opportunity in these interviews and speaking to reporters to really kind of shape a public narrative to help his client down the line. >> so, i recalled once when he first game in this position as the royal court's food tester. ergo, he's trying messages out. what sticks and what doesn'ts, a and what's strabrought into the strategy? >> i think you're right. a lost of it is shifti

i mean it's in part because jay sekulow said what he said yesterday. it's really largely in part of the president's tweet. the president tweeted in response to a report on cnn and the "washington post" that he was concerned about his son, about his son having legal exposure. but in that tweet ovltsly he talked more broadly, as you were saying, about the idea of the meeting being about dirt, finding dirt on hillary clinton. so the whole idea of tweeting is always controversial in trump world. but this particular case, there is concern, i am told, that it's giving this story way, way, way too much oxygen. >> okay. >> the tweets that he's been doing brooke on mueller, on the witch-hunt, on, you know, the democrats working for robert mueller, which is by the way not -- it is a red herring, that is not something the people working around the president on strategy are concerned with. this crossed the line. >> specifically on the piece regarding getting dirt on a political opponent, this to you. the president saying it's politics, everyone does it but federal

this is part of the reason that jay sekulow and rudy giuliani have suggested the president should not testify before robert mueller. they believe the special counsel is setting a perjury trap. and the reason not to testify, as jay sekulow put it, is because we're watching the facts develop, ana. >> the facts develop. i thought facts were facts were facts. boris sanchez in new jersey, thank you. >>> stunning claims from former white house aide omarosa manigault newman. we'll play what she says is a secret recording of the moment she was fired by white house chief of staff john kelly. >>> plus a republican congressman from new york ends his reelection campaign after being indicted for alleged insider trading. so is this seat once considered safe for the gop now up for grabs? we'll discuss. the fact is, there are over ninety-six hundred roads named "park" in the u.s. it's america's most popular street name. but allstate agents know that's where the similarity stops. if you're on park street in reno, nevada, the high winds of the washoe zephyr could damage your siding. and that's very dif

here's what jay sekulow said about the tweet, the meeting and don junior. >> when you look at the meeting a year or before, two years ago, the question is what law statute of the rules of regulations were violated. they haven't pointed to one. >> they pointed to several, including conspiracy to defraud the united states. >> i don't represent don junior, i will tell you i have no knowledge of don junior being told he's a target of any investigation, and i have no knowledge of him being interviewed by the special counsel. reporter: all of this as the president's one-time campaign chairman paul manafort prepares for his second week before a federal judge in virginia. manafort facing charges related to financial fraud. the special counsel indicted manafort on the charges. accused the prosecution of bringing the charges in an effort to get information related to president trump. some said it was potential obstruction of justice. white house claimed the tweet was the president's know and not an order. jon? jon: ellison barber, thank you very much. >>> national security adviser john bolton on "f

. >> reporter: rudy giuliani making the announcement on the radio show of fellow trump lawyer jay sekulow and revealing no hint of the conditions or demands. >> he's got all honestly information he needs. the interview will provide nothing. in addition to what he already has. >> reporter: he said the probe should be finished by september 1st but the time line is up to mueller not giuliani. the president's lawyers sought to limit face to face questions of obstruction of justice. a key point of mueller's inquirely the president repeatedly rails against. >> that was a total witch hunt. >> reporter: the president at the new jersey golf club but keeping a close eye on the fraud trial of the former campaign chairman and tension inside the virginia courtroom with the judge telling a government prosecutor to hurry things along. as a concession to the shortness of life, we need to get it done. also today, the snathd intelligence committee calling on wikileaks founder julian assange to make himself available for an interview and the inquiry of russian interference in the 2016 election. unclear whet

jay sekulow discussed it this week. sekulow saying any subpoena for the president's testimony would face legal battles. >> you get a subpoena you file a motion to quash, that would be argued at the district court, then the court of appeals and the supreme court of the united states. >> stephanopoulos pressing him on statements about the president being involved in the statement for his son. >> i had bad information at that point. >> the president tweeting, a complete fabrication that i'm concerned about the meeting my son donald had in trump tower. that tweet contradicts the initial statement saying the meeting was to discuss a program of adoption of russian children. >>> a silicone valley city passed a new gun law. >>> a bird's eye view of the destruction after flames rush through a neighborhood. >>> i feel like i had a lot of luck along the way and a lot of help. >> a teacher breaks a rowing record across the atlantic. the less son he learned. >>> we have mild weather today but scorchi ♪ strummed guitar you can't expe

when you hear jay sekulow say there's nothing illegal here srks that true? might there be more? >> the meeting didn't have to be illegal. if there's actions taken subsequent to the meeting -- >> release of information? >> a request that wept forward, by the russians or the representatives, with the campaign, that's where they start to get in trouble. >> right. >> you could walk into a meeting and someone say, oh my gosh, i have dirt on your opponent, i have two truckloads full of it, that's not a crime. even if it is the russians. what becomes the crime is where they solicit or conspire to violate a federal election laws and/or did you ask the russians if they would go ahead and release stolen information? that is a violation, a felony, of the computer fraud and abuse act and where they could be going. i think the president got exercised about this for the fact that he has now cohen raising his hand saying i know something about the meeting. gates cooperating with the mueller investigation saying i know something about the meeting. they're zeroing in on roger stone and met with

. >> he also did this radio interview with jay sekulow who has this radio show. another one of the president's personal lawyers in which they discussed this, what, september 1st deadline for resolving? yes or no in an interview? >> so that's exactly what giuliani said this morning to his fellow attorney who happens to have a radio show, jay sekulow. and my impression of that, because in the context of also speaking to giuliani, it's that they want to have it resolved by september 1st, but if it isn't resolved by september 1st, then they don't want to have to deal with it publicly until the election because of that window. and politically speaking, not legally, but politically speaking, giuliani is in the camp of other republicans who i've talked to who are in and around the president who actually think something counterintuitive which is that it won't be necessarily the end of the world if the president is still kind of facing this potential investigation or what have you during the election because they need the base to be energized and perhaps that's a way to e

then, of course, you had jay sekulow lying or perhaps he was just lied to by donald trump.n. then you had sarah huckabee sanders doing the same thing. she lied to the american people or she was lied to by donald trump, and, of course, donald trump lying from the very beginning, getting everybody together on air force one, concocting the lie about adoptions, mika. i will tell you, federal prosecutors, state prosecutors, any prosecutors will look to somebody's