spent a lot of time talking about nfl so it's entirely possible but the unthing i like is that jay snowden is the engine behind the penn nat barstool deal wants to own gambling now that 33 states make it legal i think he understands exactly where things are going someone was recommending mccal, casinos, give me a break penn nat doesn't have china, penn nat has gambling. this is the opening night of -- i've got to tell you, carl, i see more people doing fantasy and more people wanting to gamble, i of course can't gamble in my contract, but, wow, penn nat is the place and that is a very inexpensive stock if they get it right >> what a move that has been >> remember the stock was at 3 it was at 3 in march. >> historically the view has been that baseball gave you the most frequency of bets, obviously just because of the game count, but nothing -- nothing matches -- nothing matches the attention that the nfl draws. i hear that al michaels is going to be on the half today. >> that will be fantastic. this is, what, the chiefs are favored by 9 one of the things that's happened is people talk about