jay walter elliott was that guy. ow, fortunately for us because a lot of the details that we know are because of people like jay walter elliott, whose idea -- identity became a survivor of sultana -- the sultana, and he took that opportunity. one of the challenges was to compare notes constantly. katty: so what actually happened to the three people on that night on the sultana that we know? alan: we know that they clung to debris. jay walter elliott breeds superheated steam from it -- when the boilers exploded, they released all of this steam, so anybody who is nearby would have had scalded lungs, and that was the case with him. friday was an john maddox were not in that part of the boat, and so their goal was just to get to shore and just to swim and they were trying to get to the crowds of drown her's. neither of them mentioned this, but most of the people that did survive who knew how to swim did so by waiting until the moment of the crowds of swimmers who had drowned each other subsided somewhat and then they woul