. >> and for viewers who are interested on jay winnik, go to booktv.org. we have the searchim function up in the upper lefthand corner. type in the name and watch it online free of charge. it second question, in "spoken from the heart" you write, in 2004 in the social question that animated the campaign was gayhat marriage. before the election season had unfolded, i had talked to george about not making gay marriage a significant issue. we have, i reminded him, a number of close friends who are gay or whose children are gay. have you talked to ken mehlman since he came out? cam >> i haven't talked to kent since, but i had talked to himbu right before. he was in dallas, we had to fly ins with a lot of administration people to talk about the bushdmi institute that we're building as part of the bush library, and there. he was my dinner partner that night. and, you know, i know ken mehlman very well, and i respect very much his decision to go public because i know it's p difficult.eca it's very, very difficult for many people to be able to admit their feelings