jayapal: from everybody. reporter: do you have a sense, are there certain revenue raisers, taxes that you feel like will definitely be part of the package that you all talked about? ms. jayapal: we didn't get into that but as ro said in the meeting, it's important to remember what a tiny piece of our g.d.p. this package at any of the prices we're talking about are and also the president did talk about how this is ultimately a zero dollar bill. it's all paid for, it's paid for in part, you know, in large part through taxes on the wealthiest corporations and individuals and it will be a tax cut for so many middle class families because so many of these things are crucial to their being able to actually survive and thrive. reporter: has the president given you any indication of what the demands are? ms. jayapal: he was laying out some areas he knows are important to us and where we might be able to get on some of those. it wasn't focused on the two senators. reporter: focus on climate for a minute. is that somet

congresswoman pramila jayapal, who is the chair of the progressive caucus. throughout this whole progress, congresswoman pramila jayapal, has been the lead negotiator for the progressives. she successfully mobilized the progressive caucus to withhold their support for a much smaller bipartisan infrastructure bill. as a means for making sure that the much bigger build back better act would also get a vote. that it would not be killed in the united states senate. now, she has been the lead on the progressive side. on the moderate side, on the centrist side, there is not really a need for a single lead negotiator, because all the centrist democrats trying to trim down this bill could frankly fitted into a forester and could not fight over who gets known cup holder. there just aren't that many of them. on the progressive side, we've got congresswoman pramila jayapal, effectively acting as an emissary, for the nearly 100 members of the progressive caucus. but really for all the democratic's in washington's, who are all but united around want to see president bide

pramila jayapal is also chair of the progressive caucus, she's expressing optimism that a deal is imminent. let me play it for you. watch. >> we have shown people what it means to fight for them, to not leave people behind. and we will deliver very shortly, very shortly. we will deliver both the infrastructure bill and the remarkably transformational build-back-better act -- >> a, are you as optimistic as congresswoman jayapal, and b, will the tuesday votes actually take place and will the bills pass? >> hi, ayman. well, glad to be with you tonight. i'm not so concerned with what exact day they pass on, but we have good news, my friend. we are going to pass the bipartisan infrastructure plan, and we're going to pass the build back better act, which is 80%, 90% of the president's agenda.

we're joined by congresswoman jayapal. she certainly made those promises to make child care more affordable, make paid family leave the law of the land. it's all in accordance with a spending bill that, agree with the politics or not, would map out social benefits since medicare. what happens in the next hour or so could pave the way for that or it could scuttle programs, perhaps cripple the biden presidency and leave people vulnerable in the next election. as they try to pass another infrastructure bill by the senate, they say it must pass before taking up the social spending bill. progressive democrats say they won't vote for it without commitments on social spending. and two moderate democrats, joe manchin and kyrsten sinema are the two democrats holding it up. now nancy pelosi described this today as constant invigoration. she's been keeping up pressure from her wing in the party, congresswoman jayapal. as we mentioned, she's been keeping up pressure from her wing of the party. she joins us now. congresswoman, glad to

on the progressive side we've got jayapal active. really for all the democrats in washington who are all but united about wanting to see as much of president biden's agenda passed as possible, it's noteworthy, she was there. what's even more newsworthy is what she did after her meeting with president biden. it is nbc news garrett haake that held a meeting with president obama, and she had another meeting with a guy named joe in the middle of this drama. congresswoman jayapal met for two hours with senator joe manchin. finally the two people who need to be in the same room fighting this out are in the same room fighting this out. senator manchin is one of two, count 'em, two, who has been blocking this thing, saying president biden's agenda shouldn't pass. he and kyrsten sinema of arizona want to shrink the president's bill t build back better bill. they want to strip out some of the provisions. they don't care if it's smaller or if they should cut different things. it depends how good the mood is on. >> it looks like it would match u

jayapal says, you're not going to see it.y had to call some 70 participants and all the progressives said no. even some members of the cbc, i'm being told, the congressional black caucus. this now makes a very interesting question, not about the dynamic, not about the result, because they're going to make some deal. the leadership. schumer nowhere in this discussion. pelosi, only a question mark in the discussion. why did she force this? what was the strategy? is she in touch with the people who are calling the shots in the party right now? it's a really interesting time for them, but if they get anything done like this, we will have never seen anything like it since the new deal. >> yeah, and guess who is going to be here until the wee hours covering this if they actually do get to vote. we don't know. it's still up in the air. >> you will not have to stay late tonight. >> don't jinx me, okay, chris? don't say that. let's just say we'll see. let me say this. i think that, and i'm just conveying what's being said in washingto

joining us is the chair of the office, pramila jayapal. congresswoman jayapal, thank you. thank you for making time tonight. i really appreciate it. >> it's always great to see you. optimist in chief is in residence. >> whatever you do for your diet and fitness routine, whatever keeps you going, i would like to buy some stock, get in on that. i would like to know from you, basically if you were explaining to someone right now who hasn't been following this all along, who hasn't been superengaged in all the ins and outs, if they just want to know if there will be something new from washington to help people, would you tell them yes or tell them no? >> i would say absolutely yes. today was kind of an amazing day, i have to say that. we got a framework from the president. the progressive caucus then endorsed that framework, which maintenance that our 96-member caucus agreed that that framework in principle was something that we could enthusiastically support. we were able to send the president off to europe with that endorsement. and then, rachel, we got the text. we got the

i'm hearing congresswoman jayapal very clear about what's in the bill.work. this bill is for elder care to keep elderly people in their homes and reduce what is a growing crisis as baby boomers age into that demographic. it does contain some climate change mitigation which the infrastructure bill does not and these things all poll incredibly well. as long as they're talking about it in terms of what it's actually going to do, i think they're in a better position than if they're just talking about it's reconciliation, it's social spending because we are woefully under invested in all of these programs over the last 40 years. we haven't had anything since the great society that really took off except for obamacare. i should not leave that out. that really took on the social needs in a concrete way. and i think it's -- i think it's time. the other thing is, you know, if republicans want to run around and lie that they care about deficits and debts, it's pretty laughable. it's pretty easy to prove that they passed a $2 trillion tax cut for the wealthiest and

jayapal, forget about aoc.the adult in the room who just told speaker pelosi, i hear you, and then she sent out a tweet saying, stick with the plan, guys. i've never seen a flex like that on pelosi let alone on any speaker. do you really believe this is status quo? >> no, it's not status quo. i think dana is right, as well. a couple years ago, hillary clinton is running for president. she proposed the biggest infrastructure plan in history. $275 billion. are you kidding? joe manchin has called for as much spending as the entire obama care package, plus the entire federal highway system. that's how vast this is. so on the subtabs that the progressives are getting the w. but if you look at the elections, the moderates have won almost every important primary against the leftists. new york city, the cleveland house district, the louisiana house district. the moderates have the better of the political argument and they're giving the liberals much more than the liberals realize. joe manchin is where bernie sanders wa

or the way that congresswoman jayapal wants, you reduce spending on some of them, but keep everythingy can get together and come to some kind of conclusion, that would be good news for the white house. but congresswoman jayapal say this would be a great day to talk about keeping the child care and climate resolutions. but those are the things that joe manchin has said he doesn't want. >> yeah, so who has the final call here? at a certain point, they're however far apart, and then what? >> yeah, the indications at the moment are that it doesn't look great for the october 31st deadline. democrats, from the sort of centrist democrats, and even some from the progressive caucus have said, does it matter if we get it done by october 31st? they're prepared to go longer. they said what matters that we introduce programs that down to or $1.8 trillion, what is it you're going to cut? how are you going to square that circle? i'm not hearing from congresswoman jayapal, cut the child care spending and cut the climate change spending. she doesn't want -- she wants both to stay. >> right. and that r

jayapal has been a caucus chair for many years. listened to not just the internal dilong, and certainly members of the white house, who she's in close, close contact with on a fairly regular daily basis, but also a key difference i've talked to, who told me that her involvement with the progressive activist community, while it's sort of a natural fit for her, is something that's almost new in terms of the broad democratic party, in the way they think about -- operate. it's not necessarily a bureaucratic position in the way that it once was. there's much more input from strategists from the movement, from -- a lot of people from bernie sanders campaigns, and people who operated really at -- and we're see the fruits of that play in part the strategy here, because, as we mentioned again, brass knuckles tactics, doubling down, and sticking to that linkage that they are hoping to see. that remains to be seen. you know, what happens when president biden reaches the hill, but she has certainly played a pivotal role in the way the conversa

you just heard congresswoman jayapal say that's a nonstarter. for a bill with the hyde amendment in it so what's going to happen? >> dana, i can't tell you how many times in my senatorial career we have seen major pieces of legislation flounder on this issue, so i don't want to say anything now to jeopardize the negotiation. but i hope we'll keep in perspective what we are trying to do will have a positive impact on families and children, and we should move to that goal together. we have to find ways to deal with this issue honestly, but i hope it's not the decisive issue. >> you're not just collecting votes but you are a vote. would you, senator dick durbin, vote for legislation with the hyde amendment in it? >> i'll tell you i voted for both in the past because i have to measure it against the value of the package itself. build back better is the future for many working families. it gives them a chance to finally break away from the inequality in our economy and to have some optimism about the future. i don't want to let the package break down

the second part of this is what jayapal said about the conversation with sinema.he said down with kyrsten sinema, is itself an interesting thing. but she came away with a more positive feeling about this. i think it's suggest that they're likely to get this done at least to a point where 50 senators agree that they are going to support this, and then i think will see those two bills passed in the house, and remember, one of the things that nancy pelosi has in her quiver, is that if she gets this bill passed, she does not have to send it to the president. she can hold it for the rest of the congress. and if they get the bill passed, and it's basically we are going to send this to the president as soon as the senate votes on the infrastructure reconciliation package, then we've got a deal. then i think we get a quite remarkable message. if we had set on january 20th at the biden inaugural and said that he's got a 50/50 senate, and a three vote margin in the house, and within his first year there's going to be almost five trillion dollars in remarkable transformative

obviously, for both jayapal and manchin. all right, kaitlan, thank you so much. with all that news from the white house, i want to bring in democratic congressman hakeem jeffries of new york. he is chairman of the house democratic caucus. so, congressman jeffries, i really appreciate your time tonight. you know, senator manchin. i don't know if you heard. i played a sound byte. but he said he is more concerned with this nation turning into an entitlement society than a rewarding society. that's the quote and that's his concern about some of what the progressives have in this bill. can -- can manchin's specific concerns, his -- his use of words like entitlement society be satisfied in a way that doesn't alienate progressives? >> well, what progressives want to accomplish and what the house-democratic caucus wants to accomplish is to make sure that hard work is rewarded which is not necessarily the case in many spaces throughout america. certainly, that's not the case with home care workers, essential workers who care for the poor, the sick, the afflicted, the elde

so congress woman pramila jayapal saying this. >> i think we'll have to get to a number that all 50 democrats in the senate and us in the house agree to and, you know, 3.5 was our number and we understand. >> house republicans who were previously planning to support the bill are rethinking their votes after biden's visit to the hill today. i asked everyone last night and they were so hopeful about this saying they would get-togethers when i asked democrats, what about governing for democrats? doesn't that raise questions about governing? that was my point. and so now republicans are saying maybe the ones who are going to support it are saying maybe we won't know. the question is what happens

president biden is meeting one-on-one with democrats who are critical, and today, pramila jayapal. a lot of focus remains on the u.s. senate, and there is one aspect of what biden wants and what many progressives want that seems to be in jeopardy. that involves the climate change portion of this reconciliation, the build back better biden bill. to explain this nag, this is the clean energy performance program. that is a program that would make it so that utility companies would be rewarded or penalized based on the how much renewable energy they use, trying to move them towards 100% renewable energy. they would be penalized if they don't go there. it is a creative way to put a cost on carbon. senator joe manchin of west virginia, a critical vote, objects to this. his state west virginia is powered 91% by coal and would

over moderates, but the chair of the progressive congress pramila jayapal tweeted people across america delivered us the house, the senate, and the white house. we should be doing everything possible in this moment to deliver for them while we still can. skyler henry, cbs news, capitol hill. >>> congressional democrats continue to push for a bipartisan long-term solution to raising the debt ceiling, but republicans say democrats should do so on their own using the process of reconciliation. >>> the fbi and other government agencies are investigating a deadly shooting at a postal facility in memphis. two u.s. postal service workers were shot and killed inside the distribution center yesterday. authorities say the suspected shooter was also an employee and died from a self-inflicted gunshot. there is no word on a motive, but this is the third high-profile shooting in the memphis area in recent weeks. >>> a commuter train derailed in virginia forcing the evacuation of hundreds of passengers. the washington metro train partially went off the tracks in a tunnel near arlington national cemete

caucus, operating chief of the rachel maddow show, office woman jayapal thank you for keeping with us. >> i hope i talk to off the cliff rachel, we're gonna get there. >> you've at least given me a little rope ladder, so i don't have the plunge, i can control my dissent. thank you so much. we've got much more ahead tonight, stay with us. ll, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in certain adults. it's not a cure, but with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to and stay undetectable. that's when the amount of virus is so low it cannot be measured by a lab test. research shows people who take h-i-v treatment every day and get to and stay undetectable can no longer transmit h-i-v through sex. serious side effects can occur, including kidney problems and kidney failure. rare, life-threatening side effects include a buildup of lactic acid and liver problems. do not take biktarvy if you take dofetilide or rifampin. tell your doctor about all the medicines and supplements you take, if you are pregnant or breastfeeding, or if you have kidney or liver problems, including hepat

. >> after a meeting with house progressive leader pramila jayapal, pelosi responding to jayapal's shared position with elizabeth warren with this. >> speaker pelosi, congressman jayapal just said that a framework agreement is not enough to vote for the bill. >> i think it is. >> and wolf, to kind of book mark things given how fluid everything is at this moment, there are really only two things that matter, what progressives need to move forward on the package and whether or not the leadership and the white house can deliver that on the policy side of things. one thing to keep in mind here, the president is very willing to get involved and try to push progressives towards that vote if they reach a solid agreement on the second part of his domestic agenda. at this point, they're not there yet. >> they're not there yet. phil, stand by. i also want to bring in "cnn newsroom's" chief political analyst, gloria borger, and former president adviser david ge gergen. frantic negotiations, ultimatums. isn't that exactly where the democrats were a month ago when they blew past their original septemb

well, 90%'s nothing if you don't have progressives on board and congresswoman pramila jayapal is not on board. she leads the progressive caucus. they want more than a framework if they are going to back biden's $1.2 trillion infrastructure package. that's the bipartisan one. and pelosi is shutting that down. >> speaker pelosi, congresswoman jayapal just said that a framework agreement is not enough to vote for the bill. >> i think it is. >> so, congresswoman cori bush responding in a tweet quote it's not enough for me and there are more of us. it's a threat from progressives to the rest of the democratic party, and many ways it is a democratic civil war, right? they -- they control the white house and congress and the senate. and, you know, the only reason they haven't gotten this done is because they are disagreeing among them. progressives feel they are being hung out to dry when it comes to their wish list that includes paid family leave, immigration, and yes taxes. progressives are standing firm when it comes to some of those issues. just listen to senator bernie sanders and cong

sources tell msnbc news that after the meeting with jayapal and manchin, each of them laid out their priorities for the build back better drill. but they each laid out their correct. again, this is. and also senator manchin held another bun in one meeting with senator manchin. later a chip per thought they were leaving and went to get sued o'fill. >> we're talking. >> you're going to havely a revolution by the end of the week? >> do you care to make. you sort of sefrd something there as they goett got out of their cars. . ly the quote, never give up, bernie. what does that mean? cnn reported that in addition to senator man thin meeting with senator jay a paul. senator faen call with president biden today? does this mean that things are changing? what does it mean that the key progressives in this despite we're meeting runly tlou the indicate progress? i have just the porn to ask. joining usually. congressass cloou. ly again, i'm watching from the cheap seats as is everybody in this country who is a stakeholder in this fight, who you knows how transformative this could be who justlily

it's interesting that jayapal is saying they will draft a letter of support for the framework. what does that get you? kicking the can down the road again? >> we'll see what that gets us. let's see what happens in a couple of hours. that is story that's moving right now. i'm not quite sure what that means. i think bernie sanders is saying to the progressives, you know, just don't buy anything. we need to see what is in this before you're going to vote, which is, you know, it's a legitimate point of view obviously. >> sure. >> obviously. >> but they don't trust each oh, an -- and that's what is so remarkable. after the president has gone to capitol hill tries and today he -- today he leeves for europe, and he says, look, my presidency is on the line and yet there's still this problem going on, so i don't know where it's going to wind up. >> so in terms of, douglas, in terms of the president and his presidency, he did, as gloria said and we heard from manu, he was very clear in this meeting saying he's not being hyperbolic, but the majority, right, in the senate and the house and

joining me is congresswoman jayapal. thanks for being back with us. you called this last night when you said that this wasn't going to happen. what is the position of your caucus, the progressive caucus right now in terms of what happens now? >> well, anderson, thanks for having me on. our position is exactly the same as the president's which is we are going to get both these bills done, and we are going to send them to the president's desk and it will take us a little bit of time to negotiate because what we are clear is on is that weir not doing one and leaving the other behind. the president re-emphasized that today and he said we have to get all 50 senators onboard so we are doing the work we need to do to go back and look at our priorities and make sure that we are really thinking through what we need to have in this bill and how we can come to agreement. those -- that is the negotiating process, and i am thrilled that it is really happening. >> so in going through that seeing what you really need, does that mean $3.5 trillion is a number that's

representative jayapal has shown that she can hold that group together. and keep in mind leader pelosi can only lose three votes. and their message, there's a lot of frustration when manchin's number of 1.5 trillion came up because you have to keep in mind it's not just less than half of the current reconciliation proposal but that for the progressives started at 6 trillion. so it's really 1/6 of what they wanted, which is simply unacceptable to them. and their argument which they have also stated quite clearly is this is why democrats were elected, this is why we won the white house, the senate, and the house, because of this build back better agenda. not to do incremental things but to do big bold progressive things. and that is the bet that they're staking out tonight at least. >> robert costa, the reporting is right there in your new book about joe manchin. it goes back to the covid relief bill, about what he was like then. the kind of phone calls, face time with the president. his critics call it hand holding that he required before he signed on. pro

it sounds like the congresswoman jayapal.hink that -- the people who are most disappointed that he didn't divorce the two where the centrists. later on there gonna discuss how the people are going to -- this is a testament to the biden ministration recognizing who has elective power. it's a multi cultural america who is demanding a progressive agenda, especially coming out of an a pandemic. where so many americans have been impacted both on the economic front and the health front. negotiations will happen at the last, men as jen psaki said, she's absolutely. right and this is exactly how it. happens this is where it gets really good because people start being very honest about what their bottom line. is and there's almost a better reading of teas, so to. speak what she says is not wrong it's more, so every time we have these negotiations is that there are arbitrary deadlines. there's no default for the. matter it's let's be clear we are not gonna divorce these two. bills >> for congress, there's nothing like a deadline to foc

>> good meeting. >> how was your meeting with congresswoman jayapal? meeting. >> good meeting? did you -- >> get a picture of us, huh? we're talking, all right? >> we're talking. >> you're going to have a resolution by the end of the week? >> we're talking. we're going to make some progress. >> all smiles there. as joked on twitter, that picture is worst between 1.8 and $3.5 trillion. also jayapal and manchin met. they did not get into negotiations according to an nbc news source. joining us now, nbc news capitol hill news correspondent ali vitali. the president has got a full docket of meetings and there were key meetings evolving around senator joe manchin. was any progress made? >> look. as you saw senator manchin said, good meetings all around. that's been the vibe for weeks as these reconciliation meetings have been going on. you're right they're coming up against another self-imposed deadline at the end of the month here. there are reasons that it's important to stick to it. by and large, they could blow straight by the end of the month and conti

after listening to congress woman jayapal did make a difference.you noted, she said something to the effect that we're going to have to come down from that number, which is the first time we're hearing that. what will they come down to? is that 1.5 trillion, 2 or all the progressives satisfied with that? we heard bernie sanders say that they have already come down significantly to the 3.5. so what are they willing to do? that opens up a new set of questions. what gets cut. >> neil: as you said, the president made it very clear leaving capitol hill, doesn't matter if it's in six minutes, six days, six weeks, we'll get it done. but there's a lot of moving parts here including whole debt ceiling issue. we're bumping again even with this short term funding plan, october 18, the treasury secretary seems to indicate that that's when we run out of money. you and i know you can rob peter to pay paul and the government is very good finding money under couch cushions. they have more cushions. i'm wondering how this times out. what is crucial here? >> these a

obviously, you heard from congresswoman jayapal where progressives are. moderates, obviously, are not thrilled by the fact they did not get their vote and they did not get passage of the infrastructure proposal. but what the president was able to do today is basically lay out the parameters of what's going to come next. it's going to be an arduous process. almost certainly, going to be a lengthy process. but it is a process that is now in play. and part of the reason the process is now in play is because over the course of the last 36 hours, senators manchin and sinema have started to lay out numbers. have started to negotiate with white house officials. started to make, i think, a lot of people on capitol hill who were very skeptical where this was headed believe that at least movement was happening. how fast it's going to be? very open question. clearly, missed deadlines but that more than anything else is i think is what the white house is taking away right now. >> the white house is lit up for breast cancer awareness. that's in case you are wondering.

in fact, look at the progressive caucus that congresswoman jayapal leads. about 100 members of the democrats in the house, almost half, whereas the moderates who have been most vocal about passing the hard infrastructure bill first without connecting it to the social welfare bill are only about nine. so he moved to their side and said look, i agree with you. i'm goeg to link these two bills until we get both of them passed, we're not going to pass either. that's a pretty big strategic shift in terms of capitol hill. that doesn't mean he doesn't want to irk with with the moderates. he knows better than anybody whrx you have margins as narrow as thee are, when you have just three votes you can lose in the house, you have to work with the moderates, and progressives may not like it. they may not want to work with joe manchin or kyrsten sinema and say they're acting like republicans, but if you don't have manchin and sinema and the moderates in the house, you don't have a majority and you don't have the votes to pass something. there will be a compromise. >> he

jayapal: there are too many no-votes for the bif to pass today.amiche: but progressive chair pramila jayapal said they were not ready to pass the bipartisan infrastructure deal today, potentially delaying a vote on roughly $1 trillion for roads, bridges and railways that cleared the senate in august. rep. pelosi: let's not just keep having postponements. yamiche: and pushing back on house speaker nancy pelosi, who said today's progress should be enough. rep. pelosi: for those who said i want to see text, the text is there for you to review, for you to complain about, for you to add to, to subtract from, whatever it is. yamiche: but jayapal did give up on progressives' original stance that the two bills needed to pass simultaneously. she's now signaling an infrastructure vote could come as soon as this weekend, trusting the larger package would follow. rep. jayapal: we're going to trust the president on the senate vote. and we're going to trust our senate colleagues, all of them, all 50 of them, on the senate vote. yamiche: those senators include j

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. >> rachel i was fascinating by your interview with congresswoman pramila jayapal, especially because she actually did say the words, in her first response, well i can't say what was actually said in the meeting. where upon, in the audience to kind of go, all right do we go to the commercial now? what is left to talk about. but it was very revealing, and very helpful. for me, studying every little wrinkle of this, the single most important fact that we know about the meeting is that it was two hours long. that is not a meeting about nothing. that is not a -- so tell me about life in west virginia. that is not what two hours is in that room. they got into a very serious discussion about it. that's what two hours is about. and it is a hugely important discussion that joe manchin, representing the small group of moderate democrats who haven't gotten on board with this yet. talking to the woman who is leading the largest group of support for this legislation. that is a very important meeting. >> i thought it was also, i'm not going to tell you what's going to happen in the meeting, but do

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and to show how far apart this party is, you got jayapal here, right? you have josh gottheimer, who is a leading moderate. he's one of the problem solvers caucus. he says he's 1,000% certain that the infrastructure bill is going to pass tonight. are they in the same party? are they in the same universe? let's go live to capitol hill to chief correspondent manu raju. manu, where are we? >> i just spoke to bill rodgers. he was in a meeting with democratic leaders to cut some sort of an outlined deal on that larger bill. he told me just moments ago if the infrastructure bill comes to a vote in the house tonight should be defeated. he's calling on progressives to defeat that bill, and he calls it absurd that there is late night deal breaking on this massive package they're trying to move and to expand the safety necessities. we shouldn't be working in the last minute before a major vote on this package. we should continue to move both together. what the democrats and white house hoped was to get a deal that will be signed up on max ryan's brother. get schum

i talked with pramila jayapal on this show. delinking the bills always was that manchin and sinema, who really want the hard infrastructure bill would say yeah, great, i got that. and bye when it comes to build back better which is the bill that helps people of color, young people, single moms, et cetera. do you feel that the progressives spotted the potential double cross and won the day today? >> they spotted the double cross weeks ago when they held the line, and they did the same today. and they've been consistent in that, because let's be real. >> yes. >> that's what they said back in april when the bipartisan deal was being negotiated. they said you're not getting this unless we make sure we deliver for people. and the thing i love about representative cori bush is she always asks the question, who is this for? who are you prioritizing. >> yes. >> and she named it not only with you, but every single time she and other progressives stand still and hold the line, because we know this is about young people. we know this is a

let's discuss with congresswoman jayapal. thank you so much for joining us. i know you've been talking extensively with president biden. it looks like he's ready to make some imagimajor concessions to o get some of these through. parental leave, scaled back climbed measures. do you think the progressive caucus will back these compromise proposals in order to get the deal? >> wolf, thanks for having me. you're right, we have been in deep conversation with the president around the fire priorities that the progressive caucus put out five months ago. what i'm very happy to say is all five of those are still on the table in a significant way. what we said to the president when we realized even though we have 98% of democrats in the house, the senate and the president with us on the build back better act that we marked up, the reality is that's not enough. with the two senators we had to cut back the price tag. the way we did that is just shorten the time frame for some of these investments. so that is where we are. all of our priorities are included, and let me ju

>> first of all, kudos to congresswoman jayapal.'s done an outstanding job and beenfecteffective. there was a reason joe biden was elected president and at the end of the day, if it's democrats wanting to win the midterms, which is a big challenge already in 2024, that i have to remember why joe biden was legislated in the first place. >> gents, thank you. ron -- >> i got to work on it. >> you got to work on the hat game and you have to work on the in tie friday. >> i'm all for it. >> it's no tie day. it's friday. >> all right. >> all right. >> i'm no tie -- >> thank you. appreciate it. >>> listen. we need to talk about what is happening with the gabby petito case. there are cases of brian laundrie sightings on the app l -- app lay chapin trail. more after this. as carla wonders if she can retire sooner, she'll revisit her plan with fidelity. and with a scenario that makes it a possibility, she'll enjoy her dream right now. that's the planning effect, from fidelity. tonight, i'll be eating a buffalo chicken panini with extra hot sau

this is is what pramila jayapal said. >> we have a small margin in the house and we said in the house everyone is joe mansion and we have also, a very strong progressive caucus and i'm just so proud of our caucus because they are standing up for people who feel like they have not been heard in this country for a very long time. >> look, as a personal point of privilege, i don't think the comparatives to the freedom caucus are remotely on point because strategies are different and how they operate are different. but they made very clear not only do they have skjuice, they have the votes and the white house can't help but notice. >> yeah, this is one of the first times we saw the progressive caucus hold their line and say we're not going to move. we know what we want. we want to use the leverage we have because in their view, if they were to vote for the bipartisan infrastructure, there is no knowing what mansion and cinema will agree to and in leverage. the white house was very aware of that knowing progressives were not going to be there so all week long, they were not trying to aggre

you just heard progressive caucus chair pramila jayapal reject the $1.5 trillion bill. what is your response? >> i think the president said that the number between 1.9 and 2.2. so i think there will be debate about that and the elements of it are going to be but i feel very good about this and the president and about chuck schumer in the senate and nancy pelosi in the house. they have been around and know what they're doing and now how to get a deal done and we will. >> beyond their history and experience what gives you optimism? what has moved the needle for you to feel that way after this past week? >> i felt this all along. i never thought it would be 3.5 but somewhere around $2 trillion. i think that the infrastructure deal at 1.2 trillion, the bipartisan infrastructure that the problem solvers helped negotiate is a great jobs program for america. roads and bridges and sewer and charging stations, buses, great for my district and throughout the country. get people to work. jobs, jobs, jobs. and then the president's build back better agenda which originally they talk

he also talked with jayapal. we're starting to see some progress. the white house says any time we're talking, we're making progress. any conversations, meetings is good news. we saw this pattern play out back over the summer with this bipartisan infrastructure bill, that $550 billion bill where we saw the republicans, we saw democrats come, we saw groups come together. i think we're starting to see a similar pattern again. that's why i think people around the white house have optimism that the, in their view, traditional back and forth negotiations is happening. but for all the talk going on and how glad they are to see talk, they have indicated strongly it is time to start to wrap that talk up. and the urgency and pressure from the white house has ratcheted up this week. >> are they making any progress? what more do we know about who's going to the white house today? what can you tell us about last night's meetings and where things stand? >> reporter: the direct talks between senator manchin and bernie sanders and congresswoman jayapal are new and

congress wochlwoman jayapal, a pleasure to have you here. i know it's been a long day. thank you. >> it's great to see you, as always. your optimist in chief is with you. eyes uncrossed. >> thank you. i wanted to talk to you -- i literally wanted to book you tonight because i was, like, she might be the one to talk me off the cliff. at least i know she is constructively working on this. i have been close to the proverbial cliff on this. let me ask you about something that just crossed our radar in the last couple of minutes. nbc news reported that president biden is expected to delay his departure to the g20 tomorrow specifically so he can go talk to you guys, so he can attend a 9:00 a.m. house democratic caucus meeting tomorrow morning. can you confirm that that is expected to be the morning's agenda? can you tell us anything more about where things stand right now? >> that's what i hear also, that the president is coming. of course, we always welcome the president to talk to us. but, rachel, here's the deal. when he goes to the g20, there is only one country that does

guest: yeah, i think the challenge here, and understand where congressman jayapal was. the bill text is very technical. our senate partners have come up with full ideas that are not fully drafted. we went through the process, what we call a mark-up, where we take the legislation through each of the committees that have jurisdiction and write every word of the legislation. so the house bill is ready whatever elements of that house bill would be included in the final package has full legislative language drafted. where we would have some difficulty in meeting the standards of congresswoman jayapal lays down is what the senate lays down with is part of this deal. but to vet some of these ideas that have been floated. some which have merit, i'm sure but they haven't gone through the process that we went through in the house to determine whether or not we can actually translate these ideas to legislation that not only works, functionally, operationally but that we think actually makes sense from a policy standpoint. so, i obviously argue that the best way to move forward is

the top house progressive represen representative jayapal. i'm wolf blitzer at the vatican and you're in "the situation room." >> this is cnn breaking news. >> we have spectacular views of the vatican and rome as we await president biden's arrival. he will turn his attention to global affairs as his domestic agenda clearly hangs in the balance back home. tonight, democrats are urgently huddling on capitol hill. they're reviewing the text of the new spending bill framework and they're trying to figure out how to move forward. our senior white house correspondent is joining us right now. he's here in rome covering this summit. you know, phil, the president clearly wanted to show up here with a win on his agenda. it hasn't happened yet. >> it hasn't. the president starting his day going up to capitol hill making an urgent pitch to house democrats that the stakes were enormous. the time was now. he wanted votes on at least one piece of his package. the $1.2 trillion bill. he's going to land here without those votes and without a clear path forwar

jayapal falls in that category.cies in the larger sweeping package are the centerpiece of the president's agenda. they looked at the september 27th deadline for bringing the infrastructure package to a vote as a point of frustration. she held her ground yesterday and now they are going to be enjoying this time for now but invested in that reconciliation package and at this point probably not going to move off of it. >> and using their leverage, kyrsten sinema in addition to joe manchin, is also using her leverage in a 50-50 senate. >> she's gotten a lot of broc lash from her democratic colleagues who don't think she's been very forthcoming where she stands and i did a lot of reporting on where she stand. she's crystal clear where she stands with the president and his team and the majority leader, and that's all she thinks she needs to negotiate with. she's not going to negotiate with everyone and she says this all the time. she's not going to negotiate in the press, but she is somebody who is out there and fiercely