director of a jewish meditation center program for the center of jewish peoplehood at the san francisco jccc. welcome diana and pam. >> thank you for having us. >> thank you. >> i'm so thrilled. i think we should say from the very beginning we know each other because of the work of the bay area jewish healing center and we have at the healing center particular outreach on mental health issues and in particular, a half day synagogue conference that works on spiritual care issues for folks with mental illness. and both of you were the chairs and driving forces in your particular synagogues for those conferences and then we've moved forward from there. so i'm so happy to have you here with us this morning. so why is mental illness such an important issue for us to look at in the jewish community and in particular spiritual care issues? >> well, i think that mental illness and certainly in our synagogue is the item that is not talked about. people are very hesitant to share or reveal their personal situations with mental illness, and frequently it's so severe, the stigma that people leave synago