if you could speak to that. >> francois, jcdecaux. the existing units we have today have curved panels. the door is curved. it swings in, but it looks like it's sliding in, but technically, it swings in. if we have 13 million usages plus, it means that they almost 13 million, so 26 million times. and still working, so it's kind of overbuilt. it's a concern, but we -- technique that we are using today and it's engineering that we have developed and we used, so we feel comfortable that we will be able to have a curved design like the one we're showing today that we work with over time and maintain as well. >> commissioner wolfram: commissioner pearlman? >> commissioner pearlman: thank you. i'm a member of the architectural review committee. i want to congratulate you on the amazing distance you have come from what i call the toaster or the bus and the earlier designs. i was in paris recently and just this morning i found this picture of a street piece in paris from what looks like the 1930s. i was amazed at how similar in essence the co

as the finalists, the winner, would be decided by jcdecaux. after extensive outreach in the field and inhouse and with you commissioners, we came up with 12 industrial architectural design firms, all locally based, top of their field in the area, and also a diverse group. so there were many, large, in that they were small. there were many m.b.e. and w.e.b. firms in the mix. we also came up with a jury of 12, which half were city staff. one of the things that's been really important to us in this process is to work collaboratively with the other city agencies that are part of this process, that should be part of the process. like your two bodies, we wanted to work with the arts and historic preservation. we have dan hodath from the port, which has been very important, and rec and park, our main city partners. half the jury was city staff and the other were outside experts, again, locally based architects who had been recommended way their peers. the process was really important to us, that the process was fair. and because of that, it was compl

that will be a visible remnant. >> francois, jcdecaux. for the public toilets, the foundation is 18 inches below grade. when you remove the toilet and put on the new one, you will not see it. >> commissioner keehn: they're not the same footprint, though? >> no. once we have the final design, we know that we will have to do some seismic analysis to get it approved, but they're larger. >> commissioner keehn: maybe there is something that could be addressed at the base that would not make it look like a -- something that wasn't thoughtful. the scars. that's something to think about. i do have some comments. what's interesting is over the years, the interpretation of standard 9 kind of swings back and forth and the notion of historic settings keeping awe yet differentiated. i've never personally liked the current toilets. i think they're very parisian or whatever i consider are parisian. and when i think about paris, i think of all the evolution of design and the metro stations and how they're different. our toilets are art deco, kind of fake