go against the jcvi recommendation.ve said throu~hout jcvi recommendation. as we have said throughout this — jcvi recommendation. as we have said throughout this pandemic, _ jcvi recommendation. as we have said throughout this pandemic, advice - jcvi recommendation. as we have said throughout this pandemic, advice is i throughout this pandemic, advice is advice, its ministers who have to decide, and they will take a number that recommendation from thejcvi that recommendation from the jcvi there but as you heard that�*s looking at it on a very narrow field, looking specifically at the health benefits and risks of vaccination versus covid in children. so the government, the four nations have asked the chief medical officers of the nations to factor in things like disruption to children�*s education, and actually the main opposition party in the uk, labour, so there is a strong case for vaccination to avoid further disruption to education, but they say the government should be doing more in terms of things like ventilating

— the jcvi way? yes, and it is all to do with that _ the jcvi way?t is all to do with that issue around - the jcvi way? yes, and it is all to i do with that issue around education and those wider factors, particularly education, so and those widerfactors, particularly education, so a uk government source suggested there is a strong case for vaccination and labour have also suggested there is a strong case for vaccination to avoid further disruption to children's learning, although they do say the government should be doing more to increase ventilation in schools as well, so that is the counter argument here, but it is not just about that very narrow health focus, it is about the wider impact on children and that is what is being examined in the next few days. absolutely, and we will hear that decision in the next few days. helen catt, thank you. paul hunter is professor of medicine at university of east anglia. he says the issue of whether to vaccinate children is unlikely to be easily resolved. i think thejcvi is quite right. the benefits to the chi

their thinking in addition to what the jcvi has said?— the jcvi has said?aid? they should completely disregard what - the jcvi has said? they should completely disregard what the | the jcvi has said? they should - completely disregard what the jcvi completely disregard what the jcvi has said because it's based on flawed science. they need to look at the actual evidence which there has been many publications on in the us and from other people showing the huge benefits directly to children. they should also consider the risks posed by long cobit. —— long covid. we've seen people have symptoms lasting for 3—4 months, and they have cognitive effects like memory loss and lack of concentration. this is not a trivial disease in children, a disease that causes disability and 11 chilled —— 11,000 children is not trivial. disability and 11 chilled -- 11,000 children is not trivial.— children is not trivial. doctor, thank you- — children is not trivial. doctor, thank you. you _ children is not trivial. doctor, thank you. you my _ children is not trivial. doctor, thank

what's your reaction to the jcvi decision? _ tonight. what's your reaction to the jcvi decision?vi decision? thank you _ tonight. what's your reaction to the jcvi decision? thank you for - tonight. what's your reaction to the l jcvi decision? thank you for coming. so what do families _ jcvi decision? thank you for coming. so what do families make _ jcvi decision? thank you for coming. so what do families make of - jcvi decision? thank you for coming. so what do families make of it? - people between the age of 12—15 . should be able to get a vaccination to prevent the spread of the virus. i would not recommend for the moment. it's too early. i think if we want to get the pandemic under control, then we have to vaccinate as many in the population as possible. many other countries rolled out vaccines to all secondary school children in the summer. that opportunity has been missed here but it may only be a matter of days before a final decision is made on whether to immunise all 12 to 15—year—olds in the uk. and fergus is with me. i wonder what parents should think about this? fin i w

and are expected to give an update — jcvi and are expected to give an update on — jcvi and are expectedill be eligible for any hooster— about who will be eligible for any boosterjabs, the expectation being that the _ boosterjabs, the expectation being that the elderly will be the ones eligible — that the elderly will be the ones eligible first. we are also expecting him to announce further measures— expecting him to announce further measures and contingency plans if the nhs _ measures and contingency plans if the nhs at any point throughout the winter— the nhs at any point throughout the winter is _ the nhs at any point throughout the winter is at risk of becoming overwhelmed, things like potentially increased _ overwhelmed, things like potentially increased use of face coverings and other— increased use of face coverings and other kind — increased use of face coverings and other kind of behavioural changes like social— other kind of behavioural changes like social distancing which ministers may be needing to use if cases— ministers may be needing to use if cases do— ministers may be ne

says go — but the jcvi has been _ the jcvi says go — but the jcvi has been a _ the jcvi says go — butat— boosters and under 16 jabs. so we'll see what they say. we boosters and under 16 'abs. so we'll see what they say.— see what they say. we will indeed, we should know _ see what they say. we will indeed, we should know relatively - see what they say. we will indeed, we should know relatively soon - see what they say. we will indeed, i we should know relatively soon what they say. two stories, two newspapers united by a common theme — wanting to get rid of people. let's start with the daily mail, and in some ways this is a more significant story than the other one, which we will come to that has a slightly humorous title. this is about the fate of cressida dick, the metropolitan police chief — once seen as a breath of fresh air and a figure that would, by virtue of being a woman at the top of the police service, but also someone who was seen of a new generation of policing, now getting in the neck from a lot of people who say that scotland yard is frankly a bit tin eared when it come

it is because the jcvi looks at very specifically narrow criteria. 0ne because the jcvi looks at veryo people concerned having this vaccine and one of the risks if they don't have it? on that, narrowly, on the balance of it, they did not think it was needed, for this cohorts at this stage. his argument was that it is a normal thing to then say ok, look at the broader issues, for the chief medical officer to do that. i pushed him on that political pressure point and he said that, the bottom line is that the cmo is a quite robust people, so think it is not the right thing to do, they will not recommend it. the ministers go ahead and there may be ignore their advice, but then that will be known. does that give you reinsurance? —— reassurance. ila you reinsurance? -- reassurance. no m idea you reinsurance? —— reassurance. iir> my idea is that a medical information needs to be done, with that patient, the medical intervention could put more risks and benefits, but then receiving that medical intervention, if it benefits other people, i see that as dubious ethical territory. so benefits oth

yeah, as joe said the jcvi have been very reticent i the jcvi have been very reticent about— the jcvichris whitty and his three — four nations and chris whitty and his three other colleagues have said they are _ his three other colleagues have said they are minded to do this for the reasons— they are minded to do this for the reasons that the article states. this is— reasons that the article states. this is due _ reasons that the article states. this is due to happen on september the 22nd. _ this is due to happen on september the 22nd, ten days' time. how will this happen, how will it be administered in schools particularly when _ administered in schools particularly when schools are trying to catch up? there _ when schools are trying to catch up? there are _ when schools are trying to catch up? there are lots of questions and as joe rightly— there are lots of questions and as joe rightly says, the messaging has been muddled. when it comes to vaccines, — been muddled. when it comes to vaccines, we have been obsessed with it over— vaccines, we have been obsessed with it over the _ vacc

i think_ their consent or not —— the jcvi. i think if— their consent or not —— the jcvi. a _ their consent or not —— the jcvi. i think if it's a quite a difficult decision— think if it's a quite a difficult decision for parents. in the case of children. _ decision for parents. in the case of children, the risk of covid is very minor— children, the risk of covid is very minor relatively speaking. similarly, a very minor risk of heart — similarly, a very minor risk of heart inflammation, which is the side effect that can happen really. it's side effect that can happen really. it's one _ side effect that can happen really. it's one of— side effect that can happen really. it's one of the very few people who might— it's one of the very few people who might get— it's one of the very few people who might get affected by that. it isn't an easy— might get affected by that. it isn't an easy decision for anyone to make. we talked _ an easy decision for anyone to make. we talked about the low risk to 12 and 15—year—olds. let's look at the next newspaper, which talks about the more vu

we had the committee, the jcvi saying yes, and doubt please - jcvi saying yes, and doubt please explainhis jcvi saying yes, and doubt please explain the difference.— explain the difference. this is a auestion explain the difference. this is a question peeple _ explain the difference. this is a question people have _ explain the difference. this is a question people have been - explain the difference. this is a i question people have been wanted answered up until today, only 12 to 15—year—olds who had certain health is—year—olds who had certain health conditions lived with someone at risk of covid—i9, was eligible for vaccine. the chief medical officer singh that should be expanded and that comes ten days after advice from the jcvi, that comes ten days after advice from thejcvi, the uk advisory vaccine panel. they said that based on health, focusing on health alone, the benefits of vaccinating was marginal. now he was keen to stress that there still was a benefit health—wise but that the benefit was marginal. what they did was expand on how they are looking at that and said by looking at

of course all the jcvi can advise, the ministers and cmos decide. jcvi can advise, the ministers andse, the ministers and cmos decide. , . , ., ., , ., . ~ cmos decide. james, what do you make of it? it is interesting. _ cmos decide. james, what do you make of it? it is interesting. i _ cmos decide. james, what do you make of it? it is interesting. i am _ of it? it is interesting. i am not really surprise _ of it? it is interesting. i am not really surprise the _ of it? it is interesting. i am not really surprise the government| of it? it is interesting. i am not - really surprise the government have pushed _ really surprise the government have pushed ahead with it, it looks like they are _ pushed ahead with it, it looks like they are pushing ahead with it. lots of eu _ they are pushing ahead with it. lots of eu countries have decided to do it, vaccinate 12—15 —year—olds. the uk government saying, if they are doing _ uk government saying, if they are doing it. _ uk government saying, if they are doing it, why would we not do it? i think_ doing it, why would we not do it? i think what

the key concern for the jcvi is the - concern for the jcvi is the potential long—term harm is from a pfizer vaccine. myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle and pericarditis information of the heart lining. data from the united states shows that for every i million data from the united states shows that for everyi million boys data from the united states shows that for every i million boys fully immunised with the pfizer vaccine there were around 60 cases of heart information. among girls it was much lower, with around eight cases per million. symptoms include chest pain, shortness of breath and palpitations. but these were generally mild symptoms and short lived. as for covid healthy children are at minimal risk of severe illness with just two in a million admitted to intensive care after infection. so what happens now? the jcvi only looks at health issues but the uk's four chief medical officers can examine why the issues, such as disruption to schools, from repeated covid outbreaks, and whether this might tip the balance in favour of immunising all 12 to is—year—olds. if w

the jcvi said there was a marginal— to. the jcvi said there was a marginal health _ to. benefit - to. the jcvi said there was a marginal health benefit for l to. the jcvi said there was a - marginal health benefit for 12-15 marginal health benefit for 12—15 —year—olds and having the vaccination, but because it was marginal, it was definitely a benefit, because it was marginal they weren't recommending a roll—out which is why they suggested that the chief medical officers should have a look and look at the wider issues. i think they have considered the wider issues... they haven't considered the wider issues. all they have considered is education... what the wider issues. all they have considered is education... what else would ou considered is education... what else would you want _ considered is education... what else would you want them _ considered is education... what else would you want them to _ considered is education... what else would you want them to be - considered is education... what else would you want them to be looking l would you want them to be looking

of course, andy jcvi is an independent body which advises. _ jcvi is an independent body which advisesses, and that ministers and the chief medical officers make the decisions, so that is the key distinction. i think what is key to recognise — distinction. i think what is key to recognise also is the jcvi decision is made _ recognise also is the jcvi decision is made purely on health grounds, not on _ is made purely on health grounds, not on the — is made purely on health grounds, not on the more holistic approach, and, _ not on the more holistic approach, and. yes, — not on the more holistic approach, and. yes, we — not on the more holistic approach, and, yes, we are correct in saying that children _ and, yes, we are correct in saying that children are not as impacted by coronavirus. — that children are not as impacted by coronavirus, they don't get as ill as adults — coronavirus, they don't get as ill as adults do, but of course they can carry— as adults do, but of course they can carry it. _ as adults do, but of course they can carry it. so — as adults do, but of course they can car

i terms of efficacy, cost, is it that we listen to the jcvi?— we listen to the jcvi?- we listen to the jcvi? i think we need to accrue the data and i we listen to the jcvi? i think we need to accrue the data and act| we listen to the jcvi? i think we i need to accrue the data and act on the information that we have. that is why think there's been very sensible in the uk to wait until we have got the uk's specific information coming in. i think we're going to see a tiered approach, we will see vaccine from immunosuppressed patients, i expect we will boosters for resident care home residents, older people, and perhaps those over 80. beyond that, as we go down to more and more people, i think we need to see the evidence, that will take a little longer. we must not rush into it. professor paul moss and professor danny altman speaking to us a little earlier. prince andrew has been served legal papers by representatives, who claims she was forced to have six with him —— mac sex with him when she was a teenager. details are given of how and when these papers were served. the

the jcvi will make a recommendation, _ third dose.hird dose. the jcvi will make a i recommendation, but as we know, politicians are so have to have their say as well. how much more important is it with a booster in terms of efficacy, cost? i important is it with a booster in terms of efficacy, cost?- terms of efficacy, cost? i think professor _ terms of efficacy, cost? i think professor altman _ terms of efficacy, cost? i think professor altman is _ terms of efficacy, cost? i think professor altman is right - terms of efficacy, cost? i think professor altman is right that l terms of efficacy, cost? i think i professor altman is right that we need _ professor altman is right that we need to— professor altman is right that we need to act on the information we have _ need to act on the information we have that's— need to act on the information we have. that's why i think it's been sensible — have. that's why i think it's been sensible to — have. that's why i think it's been sensible to wait until we've got the uk specific information. i

mentioning the jcvi, the exert immunised. mentioning the jcvi, the med grow) — immunised.e expert grow) that _ immunised. mentioning the jcvi, the expert group that advises _ immunised. mentioning the jcvi, the expert group that advises the - expert group that advises the government on vaccines. two days ago, they advised the government not to roll out the vaccine to all 12 to 15—year—olds and as shipping hearing, today's recommendation from the chief medical officers goes against advice. to understand the jcvi position, is a member speaking just over a could go to. jcvi position, is a member speaking just over a could go to.— just over a could go to. while the benefits marginally _ just over a could go to. while the benefits marginally outweigh - just over a could go to. while the benefits marginally outweigh the | benefits marginally outweigh the risks, the risks of heart inflammation is still uncertain and we want to see what wider societal and educational benefits there are two children before recommending universal vaccination.— universal vaccination. referring to a s

said, what the jcvi was tasked to do i adverse event, but as chris said, i what the jcvi was taskedtrated in young people, and you can see — concentrated in young people, and you can see that _ concentrated in young people, and you can see that in _ concentrated in young people, and you can see that in scotland - concentrated in young people, and you can see that in scotland full i concentrated in young people, andj you can see that in scotland full so we have _ you can see that in scotland full so we have had — you can see that in scotland full so we have had a _ you can see that in scotland full so we have had a 100%_ you can see that in scotland full so we have had a 100% increase - you can see that in scotland full so we have had a 100% increase in . you can see that in scotland full so i we have had a 100% increase in cases in 12 to _ we have had a 100% increase in cases in 12 to 15—year—olds_ we have had a 100% increase in cases in 12 to 15—year—olds over _ we have had a 100% increase in cases in 12 to 15—year—olds over the - we have had a 100% increase in cases in 12 to 15—ye

doctor chris whitty— jcvi have approved it. doctor chris whitty has — jcvi have approved it. now as well and we could be seeing it in very soon _ and we could be seeing it in very soon. ~ . , and we could be seeing it in very soon. ~ ., , ., ~ ., soon. we are still talking about this tool box _ soon. we are still talking about this tool box as _ soon. we are still talking about this tool box as natalie - soon. we are still talking about. this tool box as natalie mentioned but we will turn to the front page of the express in a minute. just to let our viewers know that emma reynolds —— emma raducanu isjust one game away from winning the us women's open for 2021. so to continue with their virus question, your thoughts on the story in the sunday express. just a on the story in the sunday express. justa warning... on the story in the sunday express. just a warning... on the express story, the prime minister is continuing to explore options for the winter when it comes to keeping control of covid. he has six expressed a preference for stepping back, especially from lockdowns. this

jcvi has— that puts them at risk of covid—19. jcvi has therefore taken into account— jcvi has thereforeintain a high _ vaccination in order to maintain a high level— vaccination in order to maintain a high level of protection through the next few— high level of protection through the next few months, so through this winter— next few months, so through this winter particularly. these people are identified as those who receive their vaccinations during phase one of the _ their vaccinations during phase one of the vaccine programme. that includes — of the vaccine programme. that includes a — of the vaccine programme. that includes a list of people that is on the slide — includes a list of people that is on the slide. older adults living in residential care homes. front all adults— residential care homes. front all adults age — residential care homes. front all adults age 50 years or over. front line health— adults age 50 years or over. front line health and social care board workers — line health and social care board workers. those age 16 up to 49 years who are _ workers. those age 16 up

the expert advisory committee, the jcvi, ben.they did not think, having looked at this very carefully, that they could unequivocally say that this was a good thing to do, because the benefits, they said, two children of 12 to 15 years old would only marginally outweigh the risks, because children were at low risk anyway of getting covid and suffering ill—health. and secondly, there were some very rare side effects that have been spotted amongst those who had had vaccines, young people, a certain amount of heart information, though that is extremely rare. so, the chief medical officerss then took on the decision of saying, well, are their wider benefits beyond the immediate risk to the child? that, for example, might include disruption to education and actually stopping the spread of the virus in communities, through young people picking it up more readily than others. so, they are going to come up with an announcement later on today, and it is widely expected that they will give the go—ahead forjabs for 12— to 15—year—olds. and t

again, the government will seek advice from the jcvi. booster dose?e, from the chief medical officers and the chief scientific advisers.— scientific advisers. always a pleasure — scientific advisers. always a pleasure to _ scientific advisers. always a pleasure to speak— scientific advisers. always a pleasure to speak to - scientific advisers. always a pleasure to speak to you, . scientific advisers. always a - pleasure to speak to you, thank you for your time. a doctors' union is calling for the government to take urgent action, over delays to the delivery of the winter flu jab , and to hold a meeting of the emergency cobra committee to discuss the problem. some gp surgeries in england and wales have already begun cancelling appointments for the flu vaccine, after one of the uk's largest suppliers warned of a possible two—week delay getting supplies through. daniela relph reports. the message is clear, but actually getting your flu jab is now riddled with delays in many areas. more than 35 million people will be offered the flu vaccine on the nhs thi

jcvi considered it very carefully— to do. jcvi considered it very carefully and _ to do. carefully and that was done i carefully and that was done carefutty~ _ let's unravel that. nick eardleyjoins me now from westminster. one of the key things today is boosters, a third dose for anybody over 50. boosters, a third dose for anybody over50. ifeel like boosters, a third dose for anybody over 50. ifeel like we boosters, a third dose for anybody over 50. i feel like we are already getting into terminology like plan a and plan b. i wonder if we could unravel that for people. one in essenceis unravel that for people. one in essence is the prime minister talking about here? i essence is the prime minister talking about here?— essence is the prime minister talking about here? i think we have not the talking about here? i think we have got the government _ talking about here? i think we have got the government strategy - talking about here? i think we have got the government strategy laid i talking about here? i think we have. got the government strategy laid out today full to plan

jcvi have made the decision. _ science throughout all of this. jcvi have made the decision.he decision. we havel have made the decision. we have tried _ have made the decision. we have tried to _ have made the decision. we have tried to read _ have made the decision. we have tried to read the _ have made the decision. we have tried to read the decision, - have made the decision. we have tried to read the decision, and . have made the decision. we have tried to read the decision, and iti tried to read the decision, and it does say— tried to read the decision, and it does say they— tried to read the decision, and it does say they do _ tried to read the decision, and it does say they do think _ tried to read the decision, and it does say they do think there - tried to read the decision, and it does say they do think there is l tried to read the decision, and it does say they do think there is a net benefit — does say they do think there is a net benefit to _ does say they do think there is a net benefit to vaccinating - does say they do think there is a . net benefit to vaccina

i ask the jcvi about this. _ and if yes, when? i ask the jcvi about this, and _ and if yes, when?yes, when? i ask the jcvi l about this, and they said the plan is still to offer the second dose. they don't know which vaccine or when exactly, they're waiting for more data about that side effect to come through before they make that decision. ,, ., , come through before they make that decision. ,, ., ., , come through before they make that decision. ., ., ., , , ., decision. steve asks, does this mean we should revisit _ decision. steve asks, does this mean we should revisit other— decision. steve asks, does this mean we should revisit other decisions - we should revisit other decisions made by the government regarding the vaccine out of the public has seen the truth about its effectiveness cancelo that's quite a loaded question. what the scientists would say is question. what the scientists would saj , ., question. what the scientists would sa j , ., ., say is that the truth of the effectiveness _ say is that the truth of the effectiveness of _ say is that the truth of the effectiv

the jcvi have a very secific side-effects. the jcvi have a very specific brief _ side-effects.the door on this one, at all.— on this one, at all. what do you make of your — on this one, at all. what do you make of your decision _ on this one, at all. what do you make of your decision -- - on this one, at all. what do you make of your decision -- their i make of your decision —— their decision then not to recommend this for all 12—15 —year—olds? it is happening elsewhere in the world. the us, israel, the netherlands, italy, they are vaccinating 12—15 —year—olds there. italy, they are vaccinating 12-15 -year-olds there.— italy, they are vaccinating 12-15 -year-olds there. yes, and i think that will bring _ -year-olds there. yes, and i think that will bring a _ -year-olds there. yes, and i think that will bring a lot _ -year-olds there. yes, and i think that will bring a lot of _ -year-olds there. yes, and i think that will bring a lot of new - that will bring a lot of new evidence that theyjcvi can continue to look at, which may well help with swinging the advice the other way. i

we are waiting for the jcvi _ issue of boosterjabs?two. it seems to be something that they are signing off on potentially today. there is also the question of vaccines for 12 to 15—year—olds. the jcvi question of vaccines for 12 to 15—year—olds. thejcvi evidence said the benefits would be marginal so they were not seeing lights go ahead yet. that decision was passed on to the chief medical officers from england, scotland, wales and northern ireland and i am hearing that decision could be pretty imminent to, so within the next 2aa8 hrs i think we will have a much better idea of the government�*s strategy for england when it comes to autumn and winter but there is a good chance we will also know whether we are all going to be told to get a third jab over the next few weeks to give us a boost of immunity and whether 12 to 15—year—olds are going to be givenjabs as and whether 12 to 15—year—olds are going to be given jabs as well. thank you very much. paul hunter is a professor of medicine at the university of east anglia and joins me now.

what's your reaction| to the jcvi decision? thank you for coming. so what do families make of it?oment. it's too early. i think if we want to get - the pandemic under control, then we have to vaccinatej as many in the population as possible. many other countries rolled out vaccines to all secondary school children in the summer. that opportunity has been missed here, but it may only be a matter of days before a final decision is made on whether to immunise all 12— to15—year—olds in the uk. you may remember the banksy painting that partially shredded itself after being sold at auction. well, girl with balloon, now renamed love is in the bin, is going back under the hammer. the top bid in 2018 was more than $1.5 million — now it's expected to fetch a lot more than that, as the bbc�*s tim allman explains. bangs gavel. applause. it has become one of the most famous and notorious incidents in the history of modern art. the moment when banksy brought new meaning to the phrase "going, going gone". banksy exists to kind of really sort of undermine institutions, and i think it's fair to sa

and we can - expect an announcement from the jcvi expect an announcement from the jcvi very shortly _nt from the jcvi very shortly. they're looking at the evidence _ very shortly. they're looking at the evidence and it's really important to stress— evidence and it's really important to stress that they have already ruled that people who have severely weakened _ ruled that people who have severely weakened immune systems should get the third _ weakened immune systems should get the third jab, and that's really important. i do think we should remember— important. i do think we should remember that the speed of our vaccine — remember that the speed of our vaccine roll—out has come at a cost for other— vaccine roll—out has come at a cost for other people around the world and not _ for other people around the world and not being able to access the vaccines — and not being able to access the vaccines. we bought up huge numbers of the _ vaccines. we bought up huge numbers of the vaccine, and that is at the expense — of the vaccine, and that is at the expense of— of the vaccine, and that is a

what's your reaction| to the jcvi decision? thank you for coming. so what do families make of it? would not recommend for the moment. it's too early. i think if we want to get - the pandemic under control, then we have to vaccinatej as many in the population as possible. many other countries rolled out vaccines to the under—16s during the school holidays. that opportunity has been missed here, but it may only be a matter of days before a final decision is made on whether to immunise all 12— to 15—year—olds in the uk. fergus walsh, bbc news. a nature reserve in south africa has come up with a creative way to count big cats, as part of conservation efforts. lions are classified as a vulnerable species — under threat from habitat loss and poaching. courtney bembridge reports. the sound of an injured animal reverberates through the bush and the smell of a fresh carcass fills the air. but this is no ordinary meal. this is how you conduct a lion senses. we have to do this process account but it is because it is difficult to count them from a helicopter in an aerial census, they hired un

back to you, katherine, the jcvi sa s risks? back to you, katherine, the jcvi says it — risks?e marginal health gains. despite that, you still want yours vaccinated? i gains. despite that, you still want yours vaccinated?— yours vaccinated? i do, i do feel very strongly- — yours vaccinated? i do, i do feel very strongly. now _ yours vaccinated? i do, i do feel very strongly. now we _ yours vaccinated? i do, i do feel very strongly. now we are - yours vaccinated? i do, i do feel very strongly. now we are not . yours vaccinated? i do, i do feel- very strongly. now we are not having bubbles at school, there is even more of a risk and the fact they cannot contain it within the school as much. the other thing that bothers me is the fact that the lateral flow tests are not mandatory, which means a lot of those children at school are actually probably testing positive still. although we have done the tests before we go back to school, they are not continued. we have some of them doing tests and we have some of them doing tests and we have some of them doing tests and we have some of t

very heated debate within the jcvi, the same it?l officer, which are now being asked to look at the wider context, still focusing on children, but asking is there an argument that tips the balance along the lines of a look at the disruption to schools? look at the fact that children might be sent home if someone in their class is infected or they are infected at themselves and cut that tipped the balance and allow healthy children in that group to be vaccinated? it is the chief medical officers he will go and have that debate. we are expecting them to come back and report in the coming days. come back and report in the coming da s. ., ., ., , come back and report in the coming da 5. ., ., ., days. how it now it was the margin? we are talking _ days. how it now it was the margin? we are talking about _ days. how it now it was the margin? we are talking about relatively i we are talking about relatively narrow benefits. —— how narrow was the margin? when you are looking at the margin? when you are looking at the risk of children of th

jcvi looked at the clinical reason.ard to have confidence in an informed decision.— hard to have confidence in an informed decision. i would say it is much more — informed decision. i would say it is much more considered, _ informed decision. i would say it is much more considered, and - informed decision. i would say it is much more considered, and we i informed decision. i would say it is i much more considered, and we have been very careful. many countries moved forward rapidly to vaccinate 12 to 15—year—olds, in france and italy and in america and israel. the jcvi did not do that, they were very careful and looked at all of the data on first and second dose to look at this very rare incidence of myocarditis in healthy 12 to 15—year—olds. they then looked at the clinical evidence and said it was marginally more beneficial to take a vaccine for covid for that age group, who are healthy, the ones who are more vulnerable are already vaccinated. they said, this is outside our qualified competence. and we recommend that t

jcvi _ can. i would love to be able to give you a timeline. jcvi is _ can. a great deal of experience of rolling out vaccinations in the school age population, as they've been delivering the amazing vaccine roll—out right across, you know, the whole adult population over the last few months, so we are ready to go but we do wait for thejcvi opinion on this. but we do wait for the jcvi opinion on this. ., x' , but we do wait for the jcvi opinion on this. ., a , ., ,, ., on this. how quickly, assuming, and i on this. how quickly, assuming, and i appreciate — on this. how quickly, assuming, and i appreciate the _ on this. how quickly, assuming, and i appreciate the point _ on this. how quickly, assuming, and i appreciate the point you _ on this. how quickly, assuming, and i appreciate the point you are - i appreciate the point you are making about waiting for the scientists's decision, how quickly would that roll—out happen? 12 to 15—year—olds, how many are there, and how quickly would they get their first vaccination? what is the programme?— first vaccination?

in terms of co—administering the covid vaccine with the flu vaccine, whilst the jcvi has vaccine withhat shouldn't happen, they think that can work, in practical terms, mainly because of the 15 minute wait after a pfizerjob, it will probably happen in very few cases. regardless of that, the flu vaccination programme this year is also going to be very high priority. as my right honourable friend has said, it has been our vaccine programme that has enabled us to get almost back to normal. will he join me in thanking the staff and volunteers at gap state community centre, who had been rolling out the vaccine in rushcliffe and given my constituents the best protection they have against coronavirus? yes. they have against coronavirus? yes, of course i — they have against coronavirus? yes, of course i will. _ they have against coronavirus? yes, of course i will. community - they have against coronavirus? yes, of course i will. community centres and village halls and so many other places up and down the country, including in her constituency, have done an amazing job and we still need them t

jcvi advise us that adults who are more vulnerable to severe covid—i9 disease should be offered a boosterder to maintain a high level of protection through the next few months, through this winter particularly. officials today used this chart to show how effective vaccines are at preventing people with covid from needing hospital treatment. among those aged 65 and over, they were more than 90% effective up to nine weeks after a second dose. but they waned slightly the further away you got from that second jab. medical regulators said it was safe to use az, pfizer and moderna as booster jabs, but thejcvi recommended pfizer or a half dose of moderna because they got the best immune responses, regardless of what had been given for the first two doses. though, if there were allergy problems, az could be used. at what point will double jabs start, covid in one arm and flu in the other? double jabs can start now, subject to the availability of both products. and it may not always be the case that it is possible to co—administer those two vaccines in every single patient. sometimes it will be po

we are eager to hear what the jcvi will say— we are eager to hear what the jcvi will say in — we arendly, take —— data continues to grow around where the infections _ continues to grow around where the infections are occurring. and that's occurring _ infections are occurring. and that's occurring in— infections are occurring. and that's occurring in younger sections of society. — occurring in younger sections of society, where vaccine uptake has been _ society, where vaccine uptake has been lower, or nonexistent in the case _ been lower, or nonexistent in the case of— been lower, or nonexistent in the case of 12— been lower, or nonexistent in the case of 12 to _ been lower, or nonexistent in the case of 12 to 15—year—olds, and with an eye _ case of 12 to 15—year—olds, and with an eye and — case of 12 to 15—year—olds, and with an eye and try to preserve this academic— an eye and try to preserve this academic year and avoid disruption to the _ academic year and avoid disruption to the third — academic year and avoid disruption to the third academic year in a row, and particularly young

at the start of the month. the jcvi. _ recommendations. thejcvi, who looks at when and who should be vaccinated, it didn't recommend a routine vaccination of 12 to 15—year—olds. it said the decision was finely balanced, there may be other things to take into consideration that went within their remit so the decision was passed to the four chief medical officer is for scotland, wales, england and northern ireland. now, we understand their conclusions have been passed to minute ministers this morning and the expectation is they will approve the routine use for 12 to 15—year—olds —— passed to ministers. no official comment from the government yet, but there have been some across the uk, some ministers, who have been pushing for a decision on this pretty soon and it seems possible now that, within the next few weeks, 12 to 15—year—olds will start to get those vaccinations. we also know, as you were just saying, that the broad approach of the four governments across the uk, and particularly the one we are going to hear from the prime minister b

jcvi advise us that adults who are more vulnerable to severe covid—19 disease should be offered a boosterto maintain a high level of protection through the next few months, through this winter particularly. officials today used this chart to show how effective vaccines are at preventing people with covid from needing hospital treatment. among those aged 65 and over, they were more than 90% effective up to nine weeks after a second dose. but they waned slightly the further away you got from that second jab. medical regulators said it was safe to use az, pfizer and moderna as boosterjabs, but thejcvi recommended pfizer or a half dose of moderna because they got the best immune responses, regardless of what had been given for the first two doses. though, if there were allergy problems, az could be used. at what point will double jabs start, covid in one arm and flu in the other? double jabs can start now, subject to the availability of both products. and it may not always be the case that it is possible to co—administer those two vaccines in every single patient. sometimes it will be possibl

the key concern for the jcvi is the potential long—term harms from a rare side—effect from the pfizere heart lining. data from the united states shows that for every one million boys fully immunised with the pfizer vaccine, there were around 60 cases of heart inflammation. among girls, it was much lower, with around eight cases per million. symptoms include chest pain, shortness of breath and palpitations. but these were generally mild symptoms and short—lived. as for covid, healthy children are at minimal risk of severe illness, with just two in a million admitted to intensive care after infection. immunising under sixteens might help suppress covid but should the young be vaccinated to protect the old? if we are going to vaccinate children it has to be in their interests and not in society's interests to vaccinate them and it's a difficult decision. vaccinating 12 to 15—year—olds could help their education by limiting outbreaks in schools. the uk's chief medical officers have been asked to consider this by the health secretary, sajid javid, who had little else to say tonight. what's

understand if the government did decide to go ahead with immunising healthy iz—is—year—olds — against the jcvi'sthat the decisions we have made have been bold and the government have listened to them and accepted them, and actually we have been correct right the way through. but the previous decisions have all been fairly clear—cut to us. this decision, or this advice, is not clear—cut — there is equipoise here. i think it's reasonable for the government to seek further advice about other aspects, which the committee, it's got a lot expertise on, but one thing it hasn't got expertise on is educational issues. and i think it's quite reasonable that the government, given this equipoise that we have, go ahead and have a look at it from an educational point of view. so i don't feel uncomfortable about this. i think we have done our job, we have looked at the data, we have not resisted, you know, we have resisted a lot of pressure in terms of people making pronouncements, but we have actually coldly looked at the data, it's in front of us, we will publish it, and the health benefits for vaccinating w

jcvi — response, so it is a sensible thing to do. jcvi had considered it carefully— to do.t, may be. what about — from the lockdown light, may be. what about the _ from the lockdown light, may be. what about the trigger, _ from the lockdown light, may be. what about the trigger, currently| from the lockdown light, may be. i what about the trigger, currently it is most _ what about the trigger, currently it is most likety— what about the trigger, currently it is most likely to _ what about the trigger, currently it is most likely to be _ what about the trigger, currently it is most likely to be a _ what about the trigger, currently it is most likely to be a new- what about the trigger, currently it is most likely to be a new variant i is most likely to be a new variant that would — is most likely to be a new variant that would actually— is most likely to be a new variant that would actually change - is most likely to be a new variant that would actually change the i is most likely to be a new variant - that would actually change the game here 0k _ that would actually change

at the jcvi did say, the group — flu jab. at the jcvi did say, the group of— flu jab.imum protection against that as well. i�*m give the maximum protection against that as well. �* ,, , ,, that as well. i'm not sure how familiar you — that as well. i'm not sure how familiar you are _ that as well. i'm not sure how familiar you are with - that as well. i'm not sure how familiar you are with nicki i that as well. i'm not sure how i familiar you are with nicki minaj, a global music star. she has got 22 million followers on twitter and she has cast doubt on the vaccine just at the time you are trying to encourage young people to take it. how worried are you by that? i do know who — how worried are you by that? i do know who she _ how worried are you by that? i do know who she is _ how worried are you by that? i do know who she is but i don't want to focus _ know who she is but i don't want to focus on _ know who she is but i don't want to focus on a — know who she is but i don't want to focus on a particular individual because — focus on a particular individual because par

ministers are treading very carefully here because they want to preserve the independence of the jcvider population and initial vaccinations for 12 to is—year—olds. just because thatis for 12 to is—year—olds. just because that is the process and thejcvi, the god that quite jealously. i think ministers are also aware that if there seems to be any kind of political interference in the scientific advice, that might dissuade people from getting the vaccine. —— they guard that quite jealously. it is a bit delicate. but you do not need to be an expert in decoding political language to listen to the department for education, gavin williamson, who was really keen for the jcvi to education, gavin williamson, who was really keen for thejcvi to make a decision and to recommend that young people get the vaccine. i think parents will find it deeply reassuring to have a choice of whether their children should have a vaccination or not. we wait for the decision ofjcvi. you can imagine that probably a lot of us are very keen to hear that and very much hope that we are in a position of being able to r

health secretary, sajid javid, has said he's awaiting that "final advice" from the jcvi, but was "confidentmments. i was being asked questions about whether we should be boosting people in this country or giving first doses to people in other countries and i think that's far too simplistic a way to look at it. the problem we really have is that the world needs greater vaccine supply, we need more doses of all of the vaccines that are currently licensed and we need more vaccines to be licensed so we are not talking about choices between vaccinating in one country or another country. the good news is that supply is increasing, every month more doses are becoming available and we now need to focus on getting those doses to the countries that really need them but there will be a lot more doses available to do that. when we talk about the countries, what are we talking about and where? mainly we are talking about africa, whereas in many countries on that continent, only 2% of people have been vaccinated, the target has always been to vaccinate at least the most vulnerable 20%, then move on from

the key concern for the jcvi is the potential long—term harms from a rare side—effect from the pfizerith the pfizer vaccine, there were around 60 cases of heart inflammation. among girls, it was much lower, with around eight cases per million. symptoms include chest pain, shortness of breath and palpitations. but these were generally mild symptoms and short—lived. as for covid, healthy children are at minimal risk of severe illness, with just two in a million admitted to intensive care after infection. so, what happens now? thejcvi only looks at health issues, but the uk's four chief medical officers can examine why wider issues, such as disruption to schools from repeated covid outbreaks, and whether this might tip the balance in favour of immunising all 12—15—year—olds. if we're going to vaccinate our children, it's got to really be in their interests and not in society's interests to vaccinate them. and i think it is a difficult decision. so, what do families make of it? people between the age of 12—15 . should be able to get a vaccination to prevent the spread of the virus. i woul

booster programme, following advice from an independent committee, thejcvi, independent committee, the jcvifirst wave of vaccine booster jabs. it is expected the elderly are among those who will be prioritised. it is also expected the prime minister will outline a couple of contingency measures the government is looking at, things like mask wearing, social distance and, possibly working from home, all things that the government may need to introduce if at any point the nhs is at risk of being overwhelmed again. but the government very keen to stress, as we have from sajid javid earlier, that lockdowns are not something they want to consider, and they are repealing certain measures that were in that coronavirus emergency piece of legislation introduced to give ministers new powers to tackle covid, including things like scrapping the powers that enabled them to shut businesses and close schools. so quite a different tone from the government is opposed to last winter, but certainly the direction of travel is that they want christmas to go ahead as normal, they want this winter to be a winter o