jean carroll? tion all along and, andrew, it brings me back to an argument that carroll's attorneys made during closing arguments which was this, this trial is also about something much more profound, whether the rues that apply to everyone else, to you, to me, to miss carroll, whether they also apply to donald trump and it feels when i hear that total, $83.3 million in damages that that was the jury's answer in some ways to that macro question. >> absolutely. the way i look at this is the fact that you have nine jurors unanimously making this conclusion in short order is a vindication of the rule of law. it means that judge kaplan was successful in keeping those antics at bay of having the jurors do their duty and when you think about this, compare this to the prior verdict. the prior verdict which was for sexual assault and defamation was a total of 5 million. this is a total of 83 million. the message is, if you continue to defame somebody, that 5 million judgment, if this was entirely donald tru

jean carroll.s is a wide-open world, when you get to damages for a jury in new york, there's no way to predict what they are going to do. >> for most clients i think probably, if you said hey stop insulting this woman is not defaming this woman, even if you think you are innocent or it was unfair, every time you open your mouth that going to cost you money, most people would probably take that advice, but i personally find it tough to believe that any amount would dissuade him from continuing to attack her. what you think? >> look, a lot of the attacks probably reflect frustration at the liability verdict, it's like the time to fight over that may have come and gone because now there is at least some risk between the judge and jury they take offense at these protests of innocence, combined with disparaging e. jean carroll. i've had a lot of white-collar client that are kind of c siu guys that are very six vessel with their lives and they get really frustrated and being subjected to a system that th

jean carroll says this is not the kind of attention that i enjoy. question, then why ms. carroll, were you publicizing the lawsuits yourself? answer, because once i spoke up -- e. jean carroll continue speaking over her own attorneys objection, i want people to know that a woman can speak up and win a trial. i wanted people to know. it was a major victory, and i wanted people to know. i don't want to be quiet now. i'm 80. it's not right to try to make women be quiet. it's been going on for too long. e. jean carroll told the jury that she now lives, quote, in the mountains, in the woods, and the small cabin. she described what donald trump has done to her life and the security precautions she has had to take, including her new dog, he pitbull, who was a rescue, who patrols her property inside an electronic fence. e. jean carroll described how a simple trip to a grocery store can become terrify for her. question, have there been any instances where you changed your behavior because of the security concerns you have? answer, i change direction a lot while driving. there was a

jean carroll received. the jury clearly not believing in that side of the argument and finding in carroll's favor, hitting the president in the pocketbook and awarding her this significant award of $83.3 million. wolf. >> kara, tell us about the reaction that's coming into this huge decision. >> reporter: yeah, so in the courtroom when the verdict was read, e. jean carroll was sitting between two of her attorneys, holding their hands. after that big number came out, the three of them embraced. and she walked out of there with her attorneys with their faces just beaming, smiles from ear to ear. now, trump's attorney, alina haba, came utand spoke to the cameras because donald trump had left the courtroom. he left at 4:00 p.m., so he did not stay for when the verdict was read. instead his attorney leaving the courthouse saying that they were going to appeal. she also talked about this common refrain that they believe these cases are all a witch hunt. take a listen. >> so many americans are so proud that he is r

jean carroll?hope so but i would be unwilling to make a bet that he would. >> i wonder what you made of how the former president's legal team tried to depict ms. carroll , she did not take any responsibility for that media, press frenzy or public profile that she wanted and still enjoys. >> it was an interesting defense. if she as a person ever experience what e. jean carroll has experienced, she would not be using that as bringing all of those issues up because they don't apply. what she suffered and how she suffered, she lost her job, she lost everything and the threats that this society has been thrown against her because of trump being unable to keep his mouth shut are serious and not to be taken lightly just like our wonderful congress people who can't seem to stand up to trump either because they are afraid. they are afraid of him which is what bullies do. he is a consummate bully. >> i wonder what you made of the former president walking out of the courtroom during closing argument. >> i'm n

jean carroll. and that debt increases every single day that it is not paid because of the interest added by law to that amount every day that it remains unpaid. and that could be the smallest debt that donald trump who is owes after a new york judge enters a judgment in a civil fraud case against donald trump in which the new york state attorney general is sinking $370 million. and that's not all. don't stop there. there are much bigger possible judgments coming. washington d. c. juries could make that new york number look small if they returned verdicts against donald trump in the civil cases brought against him by 11 members of the house of representatives. that's 11 plaintiffs who are suing donald trump for any fact in effect threatening their lives on january 6th by sending his mob to the capitol. there are also three police officers who are suing donald trump for the threats in injuries that they suffered on january 6th. each one of those plaintiffs cases, each one of them could be getting hun

jean carroll.ch better for him if we're talking about this judge kicking him out of the courtroom, and by the way, this judge kaplan, one of the most respected judges in the entire country. obviously, a guy who takes no b.s. because he is not just trying to intimidate jean carroll and he's trying to intimidate the judge and the judge is having none of it. >> there was a moment before e. jean carroll testified where there was a very tense exchange between alina habba and judge kaplan. here's how it's described by cnn. your honor, clearly we're not going to finish this trial tomorrow. this trial will go into next week and i'm asking for the ki that he has the right to not miss the trial. trump has the right to be present either in person or by counsel and nobody is stopping him from doing either. the application is denied. i will hear no further argument. none. do you understand word? none. please sit down. an attempt to postpone the trial had been rejected, why try yet again if not for the spectacle

jean carroll, and the private e. jean carroll. e. jean carroll said, public e. jean is the cheerleader, the buoyant, indestructible old lady who, ais people on how to be happy, and who knows everything, and as always your best fen and will cheer you on. when i'm in public, or with my friends, that is who i am. there is the private e. jean who is, quiet. sometimes, she feels pain. i like in the private e. jean. she and i are becoming better, and better acquainted. andrew, certainly, i have known the public e. jean for many years. met her in my early days in new york. i've known her ever since. her description of the public e. jean is the person i know from dinners, being friendly, cheerful, all of that. they are trying to use, the defense, the public e. jean against her. to try to say, she just loves the attention. we >> i think it is worth stepping back to understand the phase of the trial we are in. it has been adjudicated at a trial that she is the victim of sexual assault, committed by the former president of the united states. this is not a judicial finding,

jean carroll. this cannot be relitigated. let me read some of what you said. the jury unanimously concluded that you sexually assaulted her and his claim that he did not was false and defamatory. there are no do overs a prior action cannot be relitigated. trump sexually abused ms. carroll. and let me talk about the details to which he sexually abused her. i won't talk about that on television. and they said that the statements that were made in 2019 were false. carroll, in fact, did not make up those claims. this is a judge talking here as well. and he goes on. he's kind of laying out the ground rules to which there would be testimony allowed from the former president. the former president wanted to testify the first time around in a prior trial with e. jean carroll, and he backed out, advised by his attorneys saying he could easily perjure himself on the stand or be found in contempt. the question is whether or not his attorneys are going to advise him the same with the ground rules being laid out

jean carroll back in june

jean carroll and the private e. jean carroll. e. jean carroll said, well, public e. jean is the cheerleader, the buoyant indestructible old lady who advises people on how to be happy and who just knows everything and is always a best friend and she will cheer you on. when i'm out in public my friends, that's who i am. there is the private e. jean who is quiet, she feels sometimes pain. i like the private e. jean. she and i are becoming better and better acquainted. and andrew weissmann, i certainly known the public e. jean for many, many years. i matter in my early days in new york. i've known her ever since and her description of the public e. jean as the person i know from dinners being friendly and cheerful all the time, and they're trying to use, the defense or is trying to use the public e. jean carroll against her, to say she just loves the attention. >> i think it's worth stepping back to understand the phase of the trial we are in. it has been adjudicated at a trial that she is the victim of sexual assault committed by the former president of the united states

jean carroll tower, and e. jean carroll towards chicago. we already know that the appraised value of trump park avenue would just barely cover the cost of trump's obligations here, and that is very likely not even enough to cover all his financial exposure. after all, we are still awaiting a decision by new york judge arthur engoron, the man who is overseeing trump's massive civil fraud case. that case, new york attorney attorney general letitia james is seeking a judgment of three inches 70 billion dollars. and judge arthur engoron's ruling is expected in the next couple of -- it could be a very expensive start to donald trump's new year. whatever the exact price tag, though, the civil trials are proof that donald trump cannot escape accountability forever, that eventually, the bill comes due. in response to today's verdict, e. jean carroll -- a statement. this is a great victory for every woman who stands up when she's been knocked down, and a huge defeat for everybody who has tried to keep a man down. joining me now are neal katyal, form

jean carroll, $83.3 million. from here the judge will enter a judgment a few days from now, whether he agrees or challenges it in some way, that will come down the road, for now this is the jury speaking, awarding e. jean carroll $83 million, she was surrounded by cameras after leaving, her lawyers leaving with smiles, they did give comments to the media as they were leaving, this was a significant victory for them and last year they awarded her $5 million after claims of success will -- to settle claims of sexual assault in this award much more significant, a significant amount of money. and they had been the courtroom for most of the short trial, testifying on the stand for less than three minutes, but he was there and he made his points, and he tussled with the judge in numerous times and earlier today and closing arguments he actually got up in the middle of tran20's closing argument and left the courtroom as a lawyer was argued to the jury that the only way to send a message to donald trump to make an stop b

jean carroll. the unanimous verdict, donald trump is on the hook for just over $83 million in damages. $83.3 million to be exact. it took just less than three hours of deliberation by the jury to come to that verdict. which includes $11 million for damages to her reputation. $7.3 million for emotional harm and other damages, and a whopping $65 million in punitive damages. it's a huge increase from the $5 million verdict a separate jury awarded carroll last year after finding trump liable for sexually assaulting and defaming her. now, this is the part where if you have kiddos in the room, you might want to cover their ears because i think it's important to remind you that mr. carroll's case goes back to the 1990s. and she accused trump of doing exactly what he said on that infamous "access hollywood" tape where he said when you're a star, they let you grab women by the -- you remember the rest. ms. carroll told a jury that he did exactly that to her, forcibly putting his tiny fingers into her agains

jean carroll has received. question, and in and is this message typical of the kind of messages you receive threatening with violence? no. question, why not? answer, this is more it's longer, more descriptive, in an odd way, more eloquent in the way they want me to die. question, how do they want you to die? answer, stretched, my neck stretched immediately after a quick public trial. question, ms. carroll, what's the date of this message? this is the day after the trial last year. question, and how does this person want you to die? answer, i apologize to the people in the audience because when a woman, particularly a woman sees the words, we can't help but think of the image. and so he wants me to stick a gun in my mouth and pull the trigger. and i imagine that many of us now can picture that. donald trump violated an order given to him directly from the bench today by the judge requiring donald trump to not make any comments that the jury can hear. later with the jury out of the courtroom, e. jean carroll's co

jean carroll with their own eyes. carols attorneys had asked the jurors to reach a verdict that would stop them from further defaming the woman that he has been defaming and harassing for the last five years. today, after deliberating for less than three hours, the jury came through. they awarded carroll $73 million in emotional damages, $11 million in reputational damages, and a whopping $65 million in punitive damages, which is there essentially to stop him from what he has been doing. such a shocking and divisive verdict against the ex president. even fox news cover the decision realtime, breaking the coverage complete with images of a triumphant carroll leading the courtroom with her lawyers. trump, for his part, who had been trying to dry attention to himself for the trial was, for this moment, nowhere to be found. he slings out of the back door while the jury was still deliberating, and headed to the airport where he responded to the verdict and characteristic fashion. ranting on social media from his plane. it

jean carroll. this is a case about the rule of law and who is bound by it, and who thinks they're above it. you've seen the way this guy behaves in court. you see his contempt for the rule of law. not only in the way that he treated a jury's verdict in this exact courtroom last may but the fact that he even got up in the middle of robbie kaplan's closing argument, the lead lawyer for e. jean carroll, and walked out ten or eleven minutes in because it was intolerable for him to hear facts that the judge has already determined must be taken by this jury as true. you then heard from alina habba today, and i want to talk about what she was good at because i think alina habba was as good today as i have ever seen her. her job was to poke holes in e. jean carroll's case, to the extent that she's claiming damages, she hasn't proven those were my client's fault. there was a five-hour window between when the article in which she first alleged that donald trump assaulted her came out and when donald trump hi

jean carroll.s already been found liable for that. he cannot say he did not defame e. jean carroll. he's already been found liable for that. whether or not he testifies is in question. either way, we will be hearing from the former president because e. jean carroll's attorneys plan to play the deposition he offered. he's going to be sitting there in that courtroom listening to himself, if he is not testifying, and they plan to play some evidence that shows that he defamed her in that deposition, that he defamed her as you mentioned overnight and onto campaign trail as well. he continues to do so even into today. we're talking about the defense here, whether or not he testifies in question as i just talked about. carol martin, the friend of e. jean carroll, likely to be called to the stand as well. so i think we're going to be watching today to see if the former president, in fact, testifies. if he does, timing-wise we're looking at later on in the day, there is a possibility, ana, that court is in

jean carroll is saying to his attorney. carroll testified to, she talked about what happened afterwards, including text messages, it included facebook messages, tweets, and other communications for people where she said it was information they were saying to her, insults them like she was too ugly to go on living, and physical threats which terrified her. one of these encounters was after she went public, she was in a hotel room in new york, 11:30 at night, no curtain on the window and she decided to go on twitter and saw mean tweets about her calling her a liar. she checked her mailbox and said she saw a death threat. she said that she didn't describe it, she said in her reaction, i read it and i ducked. i thought i was going to get shot and didn't sleep that night for the fear going through her body when she started to get what became one of hundreds of messages that were threatening violence. she said she also received messages from people saying she hoped she was raped after her allegations were made public that donald

jean carroll case continued to not only on social media attack e. jean carroll. deny that he sexually abused her, deny that he knows her. in manchester, new hampshire, on the campaign stage said she fabricated the story. clearly donald trump doesn't care about the damages. >> who will hire alina habba in the future. >> a lot of lawyers think any publicity is good publicity. she'll have no end of clients. >> the way she has been conducting herself, reprimanded, the sanctions put on her. >> it has not been a positive overall assessment, but consider this. maybe alina habba has a different mission. it's a damages hearing. maybe she's speaking to a different audience than this jury and other lawyers watching in the new york southern district community. >> how does this play when donald trump says these things at the rally? >> he doesn't run from it. he does whatever it takes to make it a good line for himself politically. i can't tell you the number of folks i talked to. as a journalist, i have a hard time asking random folks waiting in line to sea donald trump, how

jean carroll. so to the extent that he's looking for any sort of sympathy from this jury, i think he is eliminating that possibility or drastically reducing it by his behavior, and you know, when there's a judgment, i mean, that's money that he has to pay, right? even if he gets reelected as president, he's got to pay the money. he can't pardon himself, his way out of a civil judgment, so i don't know what his game is here. maybe he is so super rich that he just doesn't care, you know, 10 million, 12 million, 20 million, whatever, but that's not the donald trump i think we know. the donald trump we know holds on to every nickel, and i can't imagine that he truly understands what he's doing to himself with this behavior. >> you know, renato, i was thinking as he's continuing to attack her during the trial, what happens if he just keeps going? i mean, does she keep taking him back to court? does this become a hamster wheel that just goes round and round and round? >> that's a great question. i mean,

jean carroll.s been found liable for all those things, so her attorneys want a preview of his testimony before judge kaplan agrees as to whether or not he can testify in front of this jury. if it happens, it could happen any moment! and that is of course assuming that he doesn't change his mind as he has in the past. all right, paul, let's talk about what's happened today. at one point carroll's lawyers played part of donald trump's deposition from back in 2022 including when he mixed up e. jean carroll with his ex-wife. here it is. >> you have in front of you a black and white photograph that we've marked as djt 23. >> i don't even know who the woman -- let's see. i don't know -- it's marla. >> you're saying marla's in that photo? >> that's marla, yeah, that's my wife. >> which woman are you pointing to? >> here. >> the person you were pointing to is e. jean carroll. >> so he said it was marla maples. it was actually e. jean carroll. he said previously that she's not his type, e. jean carroll is n

jean carroll.n to this. >> i have no idea who this woman -- this is a fake story, made-up story. >> and i swear, and i've never done that. and i swear, i have no idea who the hell -- she's a whack. job >> that is a day after our cnn town hall, moderate by kaitlan collins. now we haven't heard anything. it's like crickets with him. message received? >> message not received. >> mm. >> because one of the things we know about donald trump as he hates to be silenced. but he also has a relatively good team of lawyers surrounding him this time around. and i'm not just talking about the lawyers in the e. jean carroll case, i'm talking about some of these lawyers in the criminal cases and the other charges that he's facing. somebody is telling him to be quiet. that is the smartest strategy that he could have right now, not just because he beast this million dollar lawsuit that he's going to have to ultimately pay out, but also because e. jean carroll has said i will sue you again. your words can be used aga

jean carroll case?up at a courthouse, that he is -- has been found liable for sexual assault? so the things that worked for him in the maga world, to nail down this nomination, i think you are seeing the potential weakness going into a general election. i'm trying to imagine any female voters in the suburbs of pennsylvania looking at his behavior in the e. jean carroll case and saying, yeah, i didn't vote for him in 2020, but now he's my guy. so i think you have, again, two things. dominant in the republican party, but increasingly vulnerable as a general election candidate. >> basil, there are complexities about nikki haley now being ascendant. one of them when is she was asked about a simple question, the history of the civil war as the governor of south carolina. one would know that. i think you have to read that. she was trying to not offend that base she's going to try and go for if something were to happen to trump. interestingly, nbc polling this weekend indicated of the people who support her as

jean carroll $5 million. that cases already on appeal. the money has been paid into the court and so once we win the appeal, we hope, that money will go to miss carroll. this case, likewise, will be appealed. we feel confident in our arguments and ultimately she will collect that judgment. >> this is a little minute show, but i want to get into it. there's always a sense, it's like the road runner never falling. is he going to have to pay up? so my understanding, the procedures are sort of escrow, where you have to pony up the money into some account that sits there until the appeal is done. is that correct? >> yes. that's basically correct. >> unless he wins on appeal, he's going to have to pay this money. >> he's going to have to pay at least a big portion of this money before he even winds on appeal. it has to be there to be certain that it's going to be there when we win the appeal. and then certainly after the appeal is, we hope, were victorious on appeal, he's going to have to pay it. >> can we talk about the pace of this? this start

jean carroll. correct? >> yes. because the appeal is still underway. >> okay. let's move to the trump racketeering, the georgia election case there that you've been writing about hugo. because this week, a judge unsealed, lead prosut, nathan waits, divorce case. trump now joining a motion to disqualify weight and willis over their alleged affair and accusing willis of trying to have racial bias. is there any facts coming from this divorce proceeding that could weigh into trump's case? or? not completely separate? >> as of right now there is nothing in the unsealed docket in the divorce proceeding. there was a media coalition attempt to unseal it. there was also -- the lawyer for mike roman, the former trump operative who made these allegations in the first place in this complaint earlier this month. there is nothing on the docket because the parties here, the top prosecutor and the prosecutor that fani willis alleged to have an affair with, they're in this continuing fight for two years. when it wa

jean carroll trials. it's a picture in 1987 of donald trump at a charity event that he and his then wife are greeting e. jean carroll. >>> joining us now, former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst, joyce vance and former chief spokesperson for vice president kamala harris, and cohost of msnbc's "the weekend," symone sanders townsend and worked on president biden's campaign. donald trump, since june 22nd, 2019, has repeatedly gone after e. jean carroll, after he was found to sexually assault her. he's continue to go deny the allegation, continuing to claim she's lying about everything. how material are his current statements or his statements post june 22nd and june 21st of 2019 to what the jury is deciding. >> they're incredibly important, katy. and you saw that as you went through the verdict form where in order to award punitive damages, the jury has to find donald trump made the statements with malice, which roughly means some form of ill intent and intent to do harm for carroll. you would think tha

jean carroll. he's shown the photograph of him meeting e. jean carroll at a charity event.stakes her in the photograph for marla maples, he's asked in the deposition, you said e. jean carroll is not your type. he said she isn't. he said, our youth three tuck wives or type? he said yes they are. that was a false statement. they play the testimony of trump bashing carroll, saying that he was offended by her, that this was a made-up story out of thin air. he calls her a whack job, and mentally ill. he says she's a liar, and a sick person. interestingly, the trump has said that if trump takes the stand, he can't say that things about e. jean carroll. he can't deny her, he can call or a liar, and he can't -- boo sales of her book. but the jury is hearing that on this direct testimony that was played by the plaintiffs case of trump making these statements. an attorney for carroll told the judge that her understanding that if trump takes the stand, and this is still debatable, that he is supposed to testify about what his state of mind was in june 2019 when he made the statement a

jean carroll.you just cited the way in which robbie kaplan tried to do, it which is to make this about the rule of law and that no one's entitled to be above that rule of law, and throughout the trial, in their behavior, donald trump and his lawyers and others in his orbit consistently behaved in a way that can only be described as entitled. that had to have been observed by the jurors. it wasn't just the don trump got up and walked out on robbie kaplan in court today. it was that steve chung, his spokesperson, showed up in the courtroom yesterday and had his cell phone go off when nobody is supposed to have a device in the courtroom. his advisor, boris epstein, sat in the well of the courtroom, even though he's not council of record and hasn't entered appearance in the case, but nonetheless felt free to continue to stand up and past notes back and forth between trump and his other lawyers, much to the judges chagrin. it is that the alina habba continue to fight with a judge on the record and off i

jean carroll and about the case. the press conference and get the larger message that they trying to interfere with the election and coming after me and i am a victim without coming after e. jean carroll, but again and again, he has not been able to successfully come after that, and either he does not want to or is not capable of. last week, it is about the business and completely incapable of staying on message and staying disciplined. and so even though there is a gag order, we will see if he stays within the parameters. >> thank you for being here, paula reid. and now, back to you, kate in new hampshire. >> yes, new hampshire. and now, the campaign collides with donald trump in court. and with me, the one and only dana bash, and chris sununu. >> i feel like i saw you on a plane overnight. >> yes. >> and it wasn't a dream? and you were there and you were there. >> yes, and i was snoring in 4a. so now what john and paula were talking about, donald trump fresh off this huge win in iowa and back in the courtroom, and

jean carroll. >> this just hours after that iowa win, with the former president taking over 50% of the vote. and in the race for second place, ron desantis just barely edging out nikki haley. >> i can safely say tonight iowa made this republican primary a two-person race. >> in spite of all of that that they threw at us, everyone against us, we have got our ticket punched out of iowa. >> this the third time we have won. but this is the biggest win. this is the -- they said well, if you win by 12%, that's a big win. that's going to be very hard to do. i think we more than doubled that, i guess. tripled it maybe. >> joining us to kick off our coverage, vaughn hillyard in iowa, ali vitali, dasha burns in south carolina, we're all across the country in these next contests, but let's start with steve kornacki, who i don't think has slept since last night's caucuses. what are the big takeaways from the results? >> yeah, i think a couple of things. obviously just a totalizing nature of trump's victory. he

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jean carroll had talked about. there's emotional damage, that's the effect on her of two statements made by donald trump while he was president of the united states. i stress that because that's what e. jean carroll pointed to as to how much more harm there is to her when it's coming from somebody who is the sitting president of the united states. then there's reputational damage, that is something you alluded to in your opening. and finally, there's punitive damages. so there's all different aspects of types of damages. and my big take away from the defense attack in this case is basically you brought this on yourself by coming forward. it was quite remarkable in this day in age to have the sort of, you know what, you should have just kept quiet and then you wouldn't have had anything to coplain about. that's simply not the law and i would hope for the women and men on the jury that is soundly rejected as an argument. >> that argument feels so disdidn't. here's more reporting from what haened today. thiss during r

jean carroll. o stop disrespecting the justice system. i think that's why the judge wouldn't let him testify. he only testified for three minutes a few days ago. he wasn't allowed to testify. by continuing to defy the court, by saying these things, he's showing a disrupt for the justice system and his jurors. this is not a judge, this is a randomly selected jury of his peers. >> neil: apparently unanimous jury. they didn't convene very long. i don't know the time line on it. maybe it was more than an hour. i apologize, john. but you begin to wonder the significance of this and on the campaign. that's an issue outside legal matters. he's survived this, 91 different counts, covering a variety of court cases, that involve all the way up to the supreme court of the united states. he's weathered them with ease. with little impact. this will have some financial impact. he's a billionaire many times over. so you could argue that he can afford this. but can he afford now to listen to his lawyer's advice tha

jean carroll. well, then when he issued two posts afterwards no mention of e. jean carroll, no attacks on her. and one thing to keep in mind he wants to continue attacking her. he believes that he was wronged in this case, but perhaps the message that e. jean carroll's lawyers which was if you keep doing this, we'll keep suing you or the message the jury sent the $83.3 million message is getting across to him. but there will be a large question what he will do when he's on the stump when he's speaking off-the-cuff. just to give you a little idea what we've heard recently take a listen to this. >> i meet a woman outside of bergdoff goodman. i took upstair tuesday a changing booth. it was all made up. i had no idea who she was and nor could i care less. it's a rigged deal. it's a made up fabricated story. >> so whether or not he can stay on message when he is speaking to a group of his supporters unfiltered and is as we know angry about this, that will remain to be seen. >> andrew, can you give us a s

jean carroll here.ne of the biggest questions we will be watching for in the coming days. >> what is trump's legal strategy behind his being in the courtroom today, and whether or not he testifies, what is the strategy here? >> i understand wanting to be present for the trial, but being present for the first day of jury selection is unusual to me, and i can't picture his attorneys saying, if you are going to be here on any day, be here for the first day of the jury selection. a lot of the faces he will see are not going to end up on the jury. now you asked about testifying. the judge has to consider whether or not what trump's proposed testimony is, is even probative of the issues. what we have here is a bifurcated trial. this happens all the time in new york and other jurisdictions. you will try the liability side, which already has been done here, and then trial the damages side. you put up x-rays, therapy records and all kinds of different medical records to show or quantify somebody's damages. in a

jean carroll. judge kaplan told the trump lawyers the jury should be instructed that regardless of what he says in court here today, he did it, as far as they are concerned. that is the law. donald trump's lawyer then told the judge she only wanted to ask three questions. one, does donald trump stand about the testimony he gets in his deposition. to, what did he deny attacking e. jean carroll. and three, did he tell anyone to harm e. jean carroll. after lengthy discussions, the judge say to the trump lawyer could ask the first question and the third question, but about the second question. the question the judge ruled out was why did you deny sexually assaulting e. jean carroll. what the grand role set up, the judge brought the jury into the courtroom and now that we have the transcripts at this light hour we finally know what was said. the judge said, ms. habba, you may call your next witness. miss habba, thank you, your honor. the defense calls president donald trump. deputy clerk, can you please

jean carroll's accusations.those are, of course, her accusations that she was in a department store by former president trump in the 90s. now, a jury consider those allegations and found him liable for sexual abuse of e. jean carroll, defamation, and ordered her $5 million in damages. here, they're only talking about this, jury is only considering damages related to a statement that trump made in 2019. now, he says she will also ask trump if he ever, that he never instructed to hurt miss carroll in his statement. apparently, he will say that he did not intend to hurt her. now, the judge and habba, they've had a lot of tense interactions during the course of this trial and that is playing out here. we are getting these live updates, they're jumping a little bit. but the, so, trump actually interrupted his own lawyer, alina habba. this is not normal for federal court, to say, i've never met the woman, i don't know who the women's. i've never met this woman. trump was then admonished by the judge who said, i'm sorr

jean carroll and defamed e. jean. this case is all about damages for his subsequent statements that were defamatory to her. in some ways he was expected, of course, that there will be a liability. the question really was, how much? i do think that this is a big deal. a big victory, not just for e. jean carroll, but for the rule of law. i think that one of the things donald trump tries to demonstrate is he is above the law. a continuous post on social media, even during the trial, in an effort to say, you can't touch me. by sending a verdict of $83 million with $65 million in punitive damages, i think jerry gave a very loud response rejecting that view of donald trump in trump's nature. >> barb, you and i have tried cases throughout the span of our careers. you and i both know jury selection is actually the most important part of any jury trial. of course there can be drama in closing arguments. maybe a perry mason moment during cross examination but really it is the selection process of jurors. our viewers need to und

jean carroll. the jury deliberating for just about three hours and delivering this verdict awarding her $83.3 million. the way that they broke this down was that they said that herr emotional harm they would award carroll $7.3 million. to repair her reputation, $11 million. and for punitive damages to punish donald trump they awarded her $65 million. carroll's attorneys had argued to the jury in closing arguments that that was the only way to send a message to donald trump. he didn't respect the previous's jury's verdict finding them defamatory because he continued to make them within hours of a cnn town hall and he continued to make them entering his brief testimony on the stand. the jury clearly hearing that. trump's lawyers argued to the jury that he shouldn't be held responsible for mean tweets and they said carroll had asked for some of the attention she received. clearly the jury rejecting that argument. trump had called this judgment ridiculous. his attorney called it a witch hunt. take a lis

jean carroll? i think that the appeal on this, if done correctly, will be one that attacks the amount. not the fact that there was a verdict but rather, was the verdict excessive. and i think that that is where they're going to try to knock down the number. so i think that between that, obviously, he will have to post some kind of a bond. not the full amount. if they can put forth somewhat of a decent appeal on the amount of the number, and at the same time, if they do have appellate issues on the first case, that could affect the second case. and quite frankly, if write still there, i would be looking for a way to figure out, how do we figure out a resolution on this, a settlement to just put this to bed and move on. >> should he reconsider having his current legal team, having them represent him in that appeal? >> oh, yes. definitely. you shouldn't have the same lawyer that did the case do your appeal. that's generally inadvisable. the attorney who tried the case will have a lot of personal biase

jean carroll are talking about this tonight. >> yes, lester, carroll just put out a statement moments ago saying, this is a great victory for every woman who stands up when she's been knocked down and a huge defeat for every bully who has tried to keep a woman down. but, lester, she may not see a dime of this money. as the former president says tonight, this is

jean carroll on the stand. at one point goaded the judge, threatening who turned to kick him out during his testimony for a woman that he was accused of sexually abusing in the 1990. he is now seeking damages for lies she said her shattered her reputation. reporters inside the room observe trump reacting physically and audibly during carroll's testimony and shaking his head over her and saying things and i'm quoting he was heard saying now it is a witch hunt, it really is a con job, she has gotten her memory back, even reportedly at one point pounding the table which elicited tough track from judge lewis kaplan, who said, at one point, mr. trump i hope i don't have to consider excluding you from the trial. i understand you're probably very eager for me to do that. trump responded, i would love it. judge kaplan said back, i know you would. you just can't control yourself in these circumstances, apparently. the judge also losing his patience with the behavior at of trump's attorney in the courtroom today, alina h

jean carroll further. you cannot get on the stand and say i did not do it, because you've already been found liable of sexual assault. if he does testify, he's on the witness list right now for the defense, we're looking at a timeline of monday right now. the defense says they need a day and a half for their case. the prosecution saying they need two and a half days or e. jean carroll's lawyers saying they need two and a half days. we're looking at three to five days of this trial and how long it goes on. >> all right, yasmin, thank you for that. we have been reading through the questions that are being asked there. at one point jurors are asked if they thought the 2020 election was stolen, two jurors said yes. and trump apparently turned around to see who they were. they were also asked whether they support qanon, the proud boys. what do you make of the questioning so far? there are a lot of folks who think trials are won and lost in jury selection. >> absolutely. there is a cottage industry just based on